Archive for February 23rd, 2009

With all this bad press, I am starting to become really interested in the hospitality industry’s response to all this?

Yelp definitely effects us… but how?  Are any of you innkeepers, B&B owners, operators, managers, managing groups using yelp, or a paying advertiser on the site??  I would love to hear all your stories… good and bad.

I will start with mine:

You know I am highly skeptical of social media, and I am markedly perturbed at the style of leadership and business management from the people in charge.  But what you don’t know is this:

I am a 1100+ reviewer on yelp.  I had been using it since it’s earlier startup days, and it just sort of became a food blog for me.  There was a momentary ethical crisis when I started working for businesses that exist on yelp, so I pulled back all hotel related reviews or any reviews that may have had a conflict of interest.  I comport myself of the highest ethics on the site.  I am also one of their biggest critics, and have not endeared myself to the site as a content generator.  But I love it, and think it is a fun way for me to relive experiences, and help me remember where I have been.

As for business side of things I can’t say much.  I think it is an invaluable tool to get real time feedback and ideas for improvements on service and the like.  It really has helped the properties I am involved with grow, and I think the bad reviews are better than the good ones.  It is just a new level of comment cards.  Nothing as quantified and rigorous as Market Metrix, but a very good pulse as to the state of the business, and what direction it is heading.

That being said, I think it is odd that I have had pleasant experiences both as a user, as well as a business person (my experiences with the sales agents are PHENOMENAL.  Period.  I like the people and they are solid.  Never one problem)….

But I still don’t trust the concept.  And that is the rub…. why wouldn’t we?  Is that we know too many of the bad reviews?  Is it the way they handle themselves in the public eye?  Do I have some bitter attitude towards them and bone to pick?  I honestly don’t know… as for the latter I highly doubt it.

I think it is that I love the site so much for personal reasons, and it is useful on so many levels for professional reasons, that I get panicked by the management practices (or lack there of).  I just want to see it succeed, and I don’t see any reason to believe it will.

I would love Yelp to look forward and stop focusing on damage control and PR.  They made it so you can’t manage your brand or control the message the same way you used to…. And it is important they become a transparent, openly ethical social media company.  Like the ethicist said, “Whether someone is lying or it is just confusion, yelp has a problem”.

So I want to hear your stories… problems, great stories, etc?  Let us have it!

Here are some of the links I previously spoke about in regards to social media sites not being profitable.  I note, when people find that these sites are not profitable, I am often met with surprise in lieu of all the buzz and media about them.  Buzz does not profit make.

YOU READER!  You yourself may not have thought of it – but facebook, youtube, yelp, tripadvisor, linkedin, twitter…. none of these powerful sites have proven the social media ad-model, nor been able to turn a profit.  I am not sure if I published these links already, but they are good for thought.  It is sort of ripped out of a previous yelp conversation, found (yes unfortunately on yelp) HERE.  It is a good thread about yelp.  I am not going to elucidate, but we might all agree that Fishbits X is one of the most thougthful, prolific yelpers out there (tongue firmly in cheek).  The below tracks some of the conversation about monetization and creating web 2.0 to actually be profitable, which it is not.

Cheers!

Kelleher from Wired.. his thoughts earlier last year:
http://www.wired.com/t…

A CNN / Fortune article about Facebook’s Number 2 being “the one” who can make it profitable:
http://money.cnn.com/2…

while facebook has money problems:
http://www.techcrunch….
“facebook headed for financial ruin?
http://www.marketingpi…

a good dollars and sense vs pageviews cut up of the issue:
http://okdork.com/2008…

And I think the AOL Yahoo thing brought out some interesting comments… especially from Randy Falco
http://gigaom.com/2008…

“But despite drawing large, engaged audiences, other social networks have not been able to make the experiences relevant to users and marketers alike.”

How Yelp works… a totally delusional, mindless, idiotic ramble that I choose to pull from the threads *there* to this site *here* for multiple reasons.  If you need to know the reasons, just make up your own… they will suffice.  =)

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Chicago does not click on sponsored biz results… at least… active yelpers that talk.
(http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-do-you-click-onto-yelp-s-sponsored-ads)

and albeit not directly about yelp, it has the same model… which ABSOLUTELY no one understands how to convert the traffic into money.

Kelleher from Wired.. his thoughts earlier this year:

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-04/bz_socialnetworks

A CNN / Fortune article about Facebook’s Number 2 being “the one” who can make it profitable:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/11/technology/facebook_sandberg.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008041213

while facebook has money problems:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-growing-problem/

“facebook headed for financial ruin?
http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2008/10/facebook-headed-for-financial-ruin.html

a good dollars and sense vs pageviews cut up of the issue:

http://okdork.com/2008/04/02/the-money-problem-with-facebook-myspace-hi5-apps/

And I think the AOL Yahoo thing brought out some interesting comments… especially from Randy Falco
http://gigaom.com/2008/04/10/aols-falco-gets-something-right/

“But despite drawing large, engaged audiences, other social networks have not been able to make the experiences relevant to users and marketers alike.”

And that last link says it very succinctly….

“That right there is the reason I’m hostile to most social networking and social networking-related startups that plan to rely on advertising: They’re depending on marketers to foot the bill while at the same tailoring their content to users that are generally hostile to or uninterested in marketing.”

The Economist this week bolstered the internet ad model revenue stream as growing and potentially immune to downturn in this economy, in lieu of a failing print and standardized ad media. (you may need an account with the economist) “Internet Advertising will be relatively unscathed during this downturn”.

In this article (http://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4030635.search?query=online+marketing+tools+for+hotels) it states that in 2007, of surveyed hotels, nearly 70% shifted marketing from offline to online … which is a stunning amount. Because of print media wasting away, and the economic downturn on top of it, it is only going to grow.

However, I do not think the Social Media side is the “be all end all” of the internet. I am highly distrustful of it, in that a networking effect doesn’t equate to dollars, and ROI is quite difficult to quantify. Albeit the 2.0 sales people suggest that you can highly target consumers, I still haven’t seen evidence indicating it as a clear cut success.

In fact, the big guys are concerned too. CEO Falco from AOL suggested that no one has any idea how to monetize Social Media (http://gigaom.com/2008/04/10/aols-falco-gets-something-right/). The ad model is in question for these 2.0 web outlets: Facebook, Youtube, Yelp, and others. They are not profitable yet, and they have a long way to go. (http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-04/bz_socialnetworks, http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/11/technology/facebook_sandberg.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008041213, http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-growing-problem/)

They have not been able to monetize the massive networking effect that has happened, and the generally accepted problem is this: Marketers are forced to pay the money for the social ads, while the social users are generally uninterested or distrustful of marketing and advertising. A large majority of users ignore or simply “don’t see” the ads.. actually mentally blocking them out. Some of gone so far as to intentionally ignore all of the ads, considering them spam.

So, I do not endorse striking out with mitigated advertising schedules on social media channels. The ad model isn’t solid, and there is very little quantifiable evidence that it works at all. I must admit, the problem of the original survey (half of CMO’s uninterested) is that it *seems* only to appeal to online ad spending, and not brand building. The survey *does* suggest that the word of mouth aspect of social media has a value that far outweighs other methods of communication, so that shows some potential statistical inaccuracy within the study.

Here are some personal thoughts on Facebook. I link it again below, but if you have time you might appreciate it (even longer than this): http://www.squidoo.com/hrabahospitalityconsulting

I think where we spend our online marketing dollars is in aggressive website SEO, comprehensive linking programs, and google keyword accounts, while making sure we also optimize the site for mobile browsing: http://www.hotelmarketingstrategies.com/hotel-mobile-marketing-thoughts/.

*HOWEVER*

There are a number of things about these social media sites that are important to understand:

1) You do not have to spend traditional marketing dollars. You can have free pages, free linking, free SEO just by participating in these sites, boards, and social linking. Every single time you link on one of these sites that is a hugely popular social media venture, their pagerank will make your hotel much more optimized in organic search indexing for google.

2) This is endless brand building. It is free… and it fits into the concept of social media members as “endorsers” (that is a hyperlink to a lot of personal thoughts on brand building within facebook)

3) It is a one to one relationship with guests… and you can reach out and build brand and communicate DIRECTLY with them. Whether the guest was thrilled, or the guest was angry… you can engage them, listen to them, learn from them… and have a real time read and pulse of the consumer and their needs.

4) You have access to honest, immediate, and helpful operating advice that can also be a PR tool. Many people are reviewing hotels within moments of their first experience. Think of being able to reach an unhappy guest *while* the stay is happening, you have created an opportunity for immediate resolution. If you show that sort of awareness – being “dialed in” – you can take the worst experience and change the guest into a long term branded client. Beyond operational help, it becomes a PR tool.

5) Being an active participant in these online channels helps with overall damage control. When social internet reviewers know you are an active and participating property with online review responses, they are less likely to muckrake or slander the property when upset. Typically, non-online, inactive hotels in the social realm have negative reviews because there is no need for accountability in the reviewer. It is like graffiti.. no one really knows who wrote it, and the people it comments on never see it. But, it can be very damaging if not dealt with, depending on who sees it. Conversely, if a reviewer is aware that you are an active member of any given community… they typically are more earnest and grounded in their complaints or suggestions. They give you more credence, and it becomes a two way professional conversation instead of one person alone, shouting negativity at anyone who will listen.

Just because you decide not to focus on web 2.0 doesn’t mean they aren’t talking about you. Twitter, events boards, local boards, review sites, blogs, and an endless stream of travel and hospitality chat sites exist that you need to watch over, maintain, respond to, etc. But this, again, isn’t in terms of impressions or traditional marketing dollars. It is a Social Media Optimization expert, or on staff representative than can find the labour hours to deal with this phenomenon.

I have an internet marketing plan we could go over at some point more convenient. Pardon the long email, but this stuff is wildly interesting, as well as infinitely complex and hard to follow. Just thought I would share what I am on top of.