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		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are numbers this small to be expected?  In the world of hard to track impressions and marketing measurements that provided some data and guidance (however skeptical I always am) - some people have said, "so what, who cares, it's to be expected".  But numbers *THAT* small?  Is that part of the Pareto Efficiency, or does the principle come into play (if you believe in that)?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI" target="_blank">What does it all mean?</a> (that link is a funny Youtube clip, as a palette cleanser).</p>
<p>Depending on how this one goes, I think this is my second to last or last post *ever* haranguing on, or thinking this deeply about, Facebook.  Blue in the Face makes one look crazy, especially if no one is listening&#8230; and beyond the simple fact that I may be wrong, and happily eat humble crow as I become more aware&#8230;.. I do see some meaningful interaction on Facebook.  It takes some time, and for me it took *opening* my network.  This concept of a &#8220;closed&#8221; network seems bizarre to me, and it limited real, meaningful interaction, the likes of which I remember from IRC or topical boards.</p>
<p>You have seen me talk about this in regards to<a href="http://www.hotelmarketingstrategies.com/facebook-fanbase-for-big-brands/"> Hospitality Brand&#8217;s respective Facebook Pages, and the lack of real interaction</a>&#8230; even when they are done well.  When it comes down to it, there are some problems with the way Facebook Pages work.  This post is, to some degree, a slapdash missive of a rebuttal to this post about the <a href="http://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/top-10-facebook-pages/" target="_blank">Top Ten Facebook Brand Pages</a>.  There are 100&#8242;s of those <span id="more-1290"></span>&#8220;top 10&#8243; posts, but it&#8217;s a good post with some interesting thoughts&#8230; and they are the perfect pages to &#8220;pick apart&#8221;, so to speak.  I want to ask some questions (that I don&#8217;t have any answers to) that result from crunching interaction numbers, informally, as well as gauge what it means to have a &#8220;fan&#8221;.  Hopefully it sparks conversation?  I also want to delve into why there are real challenges for creating that meaningful interaction Facebook Pages.</p>
<p>Before we start looking at the nature of these brand page interactions, we need a little background on what Facebook is.  First, <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/social.media/08/30/facebook.narcissism.mashable/#fbid=coYMhx7d403&amp;wom=false">Facebook&#8217;s narcissism problem is duly noted</a>, and it means that Facebook users will wear a brand Page like a pair of Chanel glasses or Dolce purse.  In the Facebook universe, where interaction is &#8220;me&#8221; first, the network later, much (not all) of brand interaction is selfish, opportunistic, and all for show.  It isn&#8217;t at the brand&#8217;s convenience (nor should we expect consumers to act like that), so much as being an emblem for the consumer, and not something they expect to have a real relationship with.  In fact, I talk passionately about<a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2010/06/21/hidden-streams-on-facebook-pages-profiles-over-sharing-and-attention-curation-as-equity/" target="_blank"> how bizarre &#8220;hiding streams&#8221; is within Facebook</a>, and how that effects the way we post, the attention we lost, and the importance of curating it.  For example, the above &#8220;top brand pages&#8221;, while researching this article, had this post, right by the brand name:</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-1293" href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2010/09/01/facebook-brand-pages-community-interaction-what-do-we-know/jones-unlike/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1293" title="jones unlike" src="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/jones-unlike.png" alt="" width="580" height="295" /></a></p>
<p>I think it might suggest, based off the &#8220;Top Ten Brand Pages&#8221; article, that we need to look at how we interact with our communities.  It&#8217;s only one example, but at least they said something.  If stats are right, 70-90% of other people didn&#8217;t say a word and just hid their wall posts from view, forevermore.  Another reason I won&#8217;t be posting much more about this Facebook nonsense: I sound like a broken record, stuck in a rare groove.  But as I have said before&#8230;. People are just understanding the crisis of perception in social media:<strong> it&#8217;s not about the &#8220;me&#8221;. It is about everyone else</strong>. In general, no one gives a hoot about your photos of dinner, your baby, your vacation (not to be dour; just grumpy hyperbole to pilot an idea into the harbor).  It makes people look arrogant and self absorbed &#8211; back to the narcissism study.  Of course, there are *many* *many* Facebook users that are *not* like that, and you are probably one of them.</p>
<p>Those who spend time on the meta level of social tech (IE not the ones who respond, when you are looking for a conversation, with &#8220;internetz iz serious bidness&#8221;) are definitely not the ones passively or flippantly interacting, nor the 70% who are simply &#8220;lurkers&#8221; or people that do not actually interact.  That data is from <a href="http://forrester.typepad.com/groundswell/" target="_blank">Forrester&#8217;s Groundswell</a>, a book I suggest you pick up.  <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/90-percent-of-user-gen-site-visitors-are-lurkers-and-its-ok-2010-8" target="_blank">This recent article</a> talks about 90% non participants who exist to consume information, and links to <a href="http://www.useit.com/alertbox/participation_inequality.html" target="_blank">this article</a> has data on the idea that 90% lurk.  As I mentioned <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2010/03/31/smtravel-conference-mashup-hospitalitytraveltourism-the-current-state-of-social-media/" target="_blank">in a previous pos</a>t, &#8220;lurkers – we know you are out there eating our posts&#8221;  Social media works best when it is about EVERYONE else&#8230; real communication, real collaboration.  For example, you should be able to view this thread from my profile.  Instead of talking about me, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/OnlineConcierge#!/OnlineConcierge?v=wall&amp;story_fbid=147291358626757" target="_blank">I asked what they did</a>. There wasn&#8217;t just *more* interaction, but it was personal, meaningful, and more robust than one off comments on viral videos like &#8220;lol&#8221; or &#8220;That&#8217;s great&#8221;.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Like&#8221; button is an activity and concept that I can wrap my head around, but it becomes incredibly frustrating when you realize Facebook&#8217;s attempt to hook itself into the framework of the internet leads to the single most passive social interaction that has ever existed, and that&#8217;s going to be an issue for brands and pages.  At least, it might make us take stock about what we really know about Page usage, and if it&#8217;s better to sit silently, curate attention, and post only when vital.  Allow people the pleasure of brand advocacy, and comment and follow up when necessary&#8230;. but it may be that our forced excitement and expectation in using these tools is putting off our consumers.  If everyone focused on the network, instead of, naturally, being more self interested&#8230; think of the level of real interaction that would create between people, brands, and one another?</p>
<p>Herein lies an obvious problem, of whether it is my place to even suggest that people should change their underlying instincts or natural patterns in how they interact.  In fact, I could be trying to yoke a powerfully ingrained genetic compulsion.</p>
<p>One person is simply a node&#8230; and nothing else. If Oprah or Ashton dropped from Twitter, all that would happen is that the network map would fill itself.  People do not matter&#8230; it&#8217;s the network that matters.  It&#8217;s about the multiple nodes, <a href="http://www.analytictech.com/networks/weakties.htm" target="_blank">weak ties</a>, and flow of ideas and communication&#8230;. and one node could disappear without a blip.  Cancel your facebook account and see how much it actually effects your network.  An important issue is that, if you start hiding streams in Facebook, in my opinion, it may make the network unstable, or at least, less meaningful.  Weak ties are less obvious to the network, and this PDF (following link autodownloads) of Granovetter&#8217;s <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CBwQFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.128.7760%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&amp;ei=geh-TL-nO4ymsQOXysGaCw&amp;usg=AFQjCNGHZplC6yc0_UwUSHZuWHSfQYLj5A&amp;sig2=cDycio2hNda8ZQQR9l548g" target="_blank">&#8220;Strength of Weak Ties&#8221;</a> article has some pretty amazing conjecture about them being markedly important in regards to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_science" target="_blank">Network Science</a>.  It&#8217;s a big problem even judging how many eyes on your page.</p>
<p>As soon as people realize this, we will start using social tools in a more intelligent and organized way.  To defer potential conceit on my part, I want to remind anyone reading this that you are likely ahead of the curve as well, and I am unabashed in suggesting that users need to mature somewhat before these tools can reach their potential.  The <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_wants_to_be_your_one_true_login.php" target="_blank">Read Write Web login debacle</a> might be proffered forth, yet again, as evidence of Facebook, or Google, users&#8217; relative dimness as to how to use the internet.  Of course, the point can be said is that<a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/how_google_failed_internet_meme.php" target="_blank"> it&#8217;s Google and/or Facebook&#8217;s fault</a> because they need to be able to explain this stuff to users.</p>
<p>These social conversation tools are the single biggest shift in human communication in history, and people are taking photos of amuse bouche or retouching a vacation shot to make other people jealous&#8230;. the same other people who aren&#8217;t actually looking at another person&#8217;s page because they are quite busy acting like a star on their own page, hoping people notice *them*.  Facebook&#8217;s potential competitor from Google is tentatively named &#8220;ME&#8221; &#8211; well played Google. Is that deliberate, guys?</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t spend my time on this, but I am somewhat irked that everyone has shrugged their shoulders and said, &#8220;I guess Facebook is as good as this will get,&#8221; and are, again, allowing FB to hook itself into the framework of the internet.  It&#8217;s a difficult proposition for me.  It&#8217;s quickly becoming <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/72691/facebook-the-open-web-the-walled-garden/" target="_blank">bigger than a monopoly</a> (a linked article that comments on the fact that the internet is *incredibly* well linked, interactive, and stable *outside* of Facebook).  If Facebook becomes the internet, some form of public utility that is not removable from the architecture of the internet, that is a big problem. It stifles creativity, and competition cannot exist in an uneven market like this.  Even with a smattering of bungled launches or app experiments that have gone viral (like Wave), Google needs to knock it out of the park with the competitor.  I am not so sure someone is in the position to really compete.</p>
<p>I have some ideas for Google Me&#8230; maybe it&#8217;s simply my own network I am talking about.  Could you imagine a social network based off of proximite geo-community, hyperlocality, and topical interests&#8230;. rather than some wholly arbitrary closed network that allows you to conntect to 20 year dead contacts that are as arbitrary as having a locker near them in grammar school?  If anyone wants to help build it, inquire within.  I sure as hell can imagine it. =)  But the real point isn&#8217;t this complex new science of networking, nor is it the immediate issues with the existence of Facebook. It&#8217;s the existing interaction and community that is really happening around these brands.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at Jones Sodas first, since we unfairly took a one in a million negative comment that I barely caught upon their profile.</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-1296" href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2010/09/01/facebook-brand-pages-community-interaction-what-do-we-know/jonescomments/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1296" title="jones_cola_comments" src="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/jonescomments.png" alt="" width="657" height="428" /></a></p>
<p>So in this one snapshot (which is hardly enough to make this a proper study) &#8211; the first post has .0001003 / .01003%  likes, and .0000522 / .00522% comments.  What is a normal impression, or what is expected of 90% non contributors?  The second post has .0003772 / .03772% likes, and .0001164 / .01164% comments.  I only include the percentages, because there is a HUGE difference between .037% interaction vs how people sometimes look at a number that small..contes. 3.72%.  It&#8217;s the former, and that&#8217;s tiny.</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-1298" href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2010/09/01/facebook-brand-pages-community-interaction-what-do-we-know/red-bull/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1298" title="Redbull_Facebook_Page" src="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/red-bull.png" alt="" width="702" height="435" /></a></p>
<p>At the time of my post, Redbull has 7,957,179 fans. Pardon me for not having it in this picture.  That&#8217;s about the population of London or Chicago.  The two interactions showing have interaction rates (this is not even a standardized metric, by any means.. but it illustrates a strong point) as follows:  #1 = .0003777 / .03777% &#8220;likes&#8221; and .0000269 / .00269% commented.  #2 (sex sells) =  .0005072 &#8216;likes&#8221; and .0000387 / .00387% commented.</p>
<p>I was going to go through this for the entire list of 10, but you may understand my point (that I am, sloppily, beating into the ground).  I will do one more, as I already did Burt Bee&#8217;s interaction info on Twitter, as well.</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-1297" href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2010/09/01/facebook-brand-pages-community-interaction-what-do-we-know/oreo/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1297" title="oreo" src="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/oreo.png" alt="" width="682" height="429" /></a></p>
<p>At the time of posting 9,084,488 people &#8220;liked&#8221; the Oreo fanpage.  In the above, .0005586 / .05586% liked (a little more than one twentieth of one percent or 1/20%) and .0003344 / .03344% commented, the second posting was .0001671 / .01671% liked and .0000216 / .00216% commented.</p>
<p>I think you get the point&#8230;. even the most successful brand pages are creating interaction and real community involvement that is such a small percentage of their supposed community, we have to ask how this actually works?</p>
<p>I understand it&#8217;s a distribution channel, and you need to be available to guests and consumers that wish to interact with you on their own terms in their own comfort zones&#8230;. but numbers this small are almost impossible to fathom.  The way people are prostelytized by brands, I, personally, would imagine interaction levels much higher&#8230; at least into whole percentage points.  Is this Facebook&#8217;s fault?  Is this something greater involving the crisis of perception in social media?</p>
<p>More questions: Is having a contest that garners fans on your page a good measure of a potential consumer?  Are you attracting consumers that like contests, or consumers focused on the quality of your brand?  Is gaining a fan more important than interaction and community?  When you discount on a Facebook page, are you giving back money to a branded consumer that was already prepared to pay full price?  These numbers are similar across the board, and I see endless smaller brand or hotel pages that don&#8217;t have a powerhouse of a community to energize.  Should we spend our time on this?  Should we spend our time on this &#8230;. *yet*?</p>
<p>Henry Harteveldt&#8217;s sage wisdom was so simple and zen:  &#8221;Give it time.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Twilight Fan Page on Facebook has over 12 million fans&#8230; that&#8217;s the population of Calcutta or Los Angeles.  But, interaction levels are about the same, as they are for all major brands.  Crunch the numbers yourself, it&#8217;s fairly easy.</p>
<p>I am not claiming this to be a bona fide metric, but it begs some very important conversation.  Is this simply a wiki page for your brand advocate&#8217;s to show off their incessant narcissism &#8211; more about how you make them look &amp; feel, rather than wanting a connection to a community?  If that&#8217;s the case, how much energy and time (and labor dollars) does a hotel invest on this brand advocacy versus legitimate conversation?</p>
<p>My main question is this:  (as I sit and panic, and quandry, and furrow my brow):</p>
<p>Are numbers this small to be expected?</p>
<p>In the world of hard to track impressions and marketing measurements that dp provided a modicum of data and guidance (however skeptical I always am) &#8211; some people have said, &#8220;so what, who cares, it&#8217;s to be expected&#8221;.  But numbers *THAT* small?  Is that part of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_efficiency" target="_blank">Pareto Efficiency</a>, or does the principle come into play (if you believe in that)?  I am not saying you shouldn&#8217;t be on Facebook with a page, <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/04/27/facebook-for-hotels-what-are-we-trying-to-achieve-so-far-seems-to-be-nothing/" target="_blank">but what are we trying to do?</a> This isn&#8217;t meant to be about misery or confusion, but I would quite like to see a conversation struck up about this.</p>
<p>What do you think?  I would love to know!</p>
<p>ED Note: A couple new articles in the past few days.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hotelmarketing.com/index.php/content/article/why_marketers_often_get_it_wrong_with_facebook/" target="_blank">70% of FB users that have &#8220;liked&#8221; your page do *not* consider that permission to market to them</a>.  Hey&#8230; I am on your side. That&#8217;s just idiotic.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/node/16909935" target="_blank">And there are other &#8220;virtual crumedgeons&#8221; out there</a>&#8230; fairly intelligent ones. In that link, the Economist reviews Jarod Lanier&#8217;s new book &#8220;You are not a Gadget&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to know that the 100% solar, 100% off grid Wilbur Hot Springs has seen this market opening up for some time&#8230; the unplugging escapists.  They highlight a number of fascinating New York Times articles here, and make a case for backing off a bit. <a href="http://wilburhotsprings.tumblr.com/post/1015407257/letsescapetogether" target="_blank">Your brain on computers, indeed</a>. See you at Wilbur.  (Full disclosure &#8211; I put that piece together for them).</p>
<p>Ed Note (7th Sept 2010):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chrisbrogan.com/social-crash/" target="_blank">Chris Brogan&#8217;s &#8220;The Coming Social Crash</a>&#8221; article is interesting&#8230; about the impending mass step back from all these overwhelming tools.</p>
<p>But I stumbled on this today, and thought it was far too relevant to not attach.  I love the analogy of the story of social networking&#8230; but &#8220;<a href="http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2010/09/04/have-we-lost-the-plot-on-social-networking/" target="_blank">Have we lost the plot in social networking</a>?&#8221;  Some of the questions raised in that article are profound.  Can you really be #1 simply because you *are* #1?  How long is that model going to work for them?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[This probably should have been multiple posts. Sorry. Google PLACES (or where did my Local Business Center shove off to?) One of my favorite developments in the last few weeks, aside from Google&#8217;s experimentation with populating rates of hotels into it&#8217;s maps, is Google &#8220;Places&#8221;.  The blogosphere is abuzz with gentle, quiet speculation on what [...]]]></description>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Google PLACES (or where did my Local Business Center shove off to?)</strong></span></p>
<p>One of my favorite developments in the last few weeks, aside from <a href="http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2010/03/experiment-to-show-hotel-prices-on.html" target="_blank">Google&#8217;s experimentation with populating rates of hotels into it&#8217;s maps</a>, is Google &#8220;Places&#8221;.  The blogosphere is abuzz with gentle, quiet speculation on what in the heck is going on<span id="more-1049"></span> here.  It&#8217;s obvious repositioning to <a href="http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Cloud-Computing/Google-Places-Vies-for-Local-Search-Share-Versus-Yelp-Twitter-Foursquare-870212/" target="_blank">compete with the likes of Yelp and Foursquare</a>.  But <a href="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2010/04/google-renames-local-business-center-now-places/1" target="_blank">Google is rolling some of the features attached to the new name a bit slow</a>, and we will see how it reshapes our mobile experience.  I, for one, really trust Google&#8217;s methodical approach to entering this space&#8230; and when they unroll their entire suite, I think it will challenge Yelp to Expedia and other OTA&#8217;s.  If you can advert with Places in your market&#8230; let me know how it goes!</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">As Google positions, Tripadvisor works to get ads going in the first place</span></strong></p>
<p>Tripadvisor toils in it&#8217;s monetization attempts&#8230; <a href="http://www.hotelmarketing.com/index.php/content/article/first_hotels_now_tourist_boards_-_tripadvisor_to_monetize_traffic/" target="_blank">First  hotels, now tourist boards</a>.  You know how I feel about paying for  your hotel to be listed with information on TA&#8230; DO IT!  Think about  what percentage of your traffic comes from OTA&#8217;s, then start figuring  out depending on your market and rank on TA how much of that traffic  jumps to Expedia or others straight from Tripadvisor.  That 25% markup  those OTA&#8217;s are stealing from you will come back, and likely quickly pay  for the Tripadvisor listing fee.  It&#8217;s a smart move, and a cheap  experiment.</p>
<p>Something else that might be a costly experiment in regards to Tripadvisor is losing you reservations to Expedia, and hurting your SEO.  Tripadvisor badges or widgets that aren&#8217;t actively blocking search engines are likely bad for business.  I posted (the below) article about how it hurts your hotel site&#8217;s SEO, but bolsters Tripadvisor&#8217;s.  What I didn&#8217;t realize was this &#8211; if people link from your website and booking engine to Tripadvisor via that widget &#8211; and like what they see on Tripadvisor &#8211; they are usually sent to EXPEDIA to book their room.  You just linked your guest to a page that will make you pay a 25% commission.  I don&#8217;t have all the answers, but <a href="http://www.thatagency.com/design-studio-blog/2010/03/why-hotels-should-stop-using-tripadvisors-rating-widget/" target="_blank">in the comments section of *THIS ARTICLE*</a>, the gent describes a fancy way to blind the widget.  I have also seen hotel sites that simply copy and paste the review from Tripadvisor or Yelp into different parts of their website &#8211; thus stuffing a page full of relevant keywords that can also help the guest decide to book&#8230; while continually mingling with your booking engine the whole time, never chancing lost control of your inventory.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">MORE SOCIAL TOOLS, INFO, &amp; Tech Talk</span></strong></p>
<p><a href="http://mashable.com/2010/04/20/twitter-for-business/" target="_blank">Unique and  fairly intelligent ways to leverage twitter</a>&#8230; a non hotel article  to get you thinking about what twitter is, and how you can leverage it  to benefit your property.</p>
<p>A brief link, but a good question &#8211; <a href="http://blog.vfmleonardo.com/are-there-any-standards-for-hotel-videos-should-we-hire-actors-or-use-our-own-staff/" target="_blank">who do you use for hotel videos? Hired actors? Regular  line staff?</a> It&#8217;s important to consider how you want to represent  your hotel, and how people will receive the information.  Honestly, I  think the manipulated, high gloss marketing message is in shambles, and  when it looks too slick, people will immediately not trust it or find it  disingenuous.   Whatever the case, this is all about having a plan and  understanding as you tackle new media&#8230;. if you don&#8217;t these things come  out of left field and surprise you.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hotelmarketing.com/index.php/article/design_hotels_launches_facebook_booking_engine/" target="_blank">Design Hotels launches a Facebook Booking Engine</a>&#8230;.  (call it an F.B.E. for short!).  This will, once and for all, solve the  problem of wondering whether people are on Facebook to proselytize and  chatter about brands as a showy display of feathers (I LIKE THIS BRAND!  It means I am AWESOME!), or is it a place to commune, share, and  ultimately &#8211; BOOK?  Just checking it out, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/DesignHotelsAG" target="_blank">it  seems fairly confusing</a>.  I enter my dates, and then I mysteriously  land on an unassociated page without it transmitting the choices I  made.  Seems like FB booking has a way to go.</p>
<p>I for one am a) sick of hearing about  the IPAD, b) sick about the marketing reinventing history as if Apple  invented the tablet, and c) sick of hearing about all the giddy fanboys  trying to adopt slick but inherently flawed tech as nothing more than a  marketing gimmick.  HOWEVER&#8230;. this article, <a href="http://www.hotelnewsnow.com/Articles.aspx?ArticleId=3138&amp;ArticleType=35&amp;PageType=News" target="_blank">IPAD:  Hotel Hype, or Help?</a>,  says it is making Intercontinental&#8217;s  concierge more personable &amp; functional (<a href="http://point2agentblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/spock-ipad1.jpg" target="_blank">not  to mention cool like they are from Star Trek</a>), and it isn&#8217;t just  hype.  I know the tablet will be the future or consumers and content  ingestors&#8230;. but I just think we are a bit of a way off from it being  functional for content generators.  This is simply a machine to  advertise to consumers, no more, no less.  Playing a game or reading the  paper is incidental.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">HOTEL TALK!</span></strong></p>
<p>RevPar laws basically state &#8211; Trading Rate for Occupancy isn&#8217;t that smart of a move (Labor, among other operating costs, rise significantly, and the added dollars don&#8217;t always even out on the bottom line).  So why is the &#8220;Name your own price&#8221; phenomena rearing it&#8217;s ugly head?  <a href="http://connect.phocuswright.com/2010/04/name-your-own-price-is-this-hotel-revenue-management/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ThePhocuswrightBlog+%28The+PhoCusWright+Blog%29&amp;utm_content=Google+Reader">Phocuswright tries to explain here.</a></p>
<p>Not to mention&#8230; most of us still think it is <a href="http://www.searchamelia.com/2010/04/02/act-now-and-you-get-a-two-for-one/" target="_blank">perceived value that has a big part in selling hotels</a>&#8230; and not handing back money to someone who would have paid the higher rate you just tanked, anyway.</p>
<p>Do you think modern marketing for hospitality is at a crossroads?  I do.  But then again, <a href="http://www.dontdrinkthekoolaidblog.com/customer-service-hotel-marketing/comment-page-1/http://www.dontdrinkthekoolaidblog.com/customer-service-hotel-marketing/comment-page-1/http://www.dontdrinkthekoolaidblog.com/customer-service-hotel-marketing/comment-page-1/http://www.dontdrinkthekoolaidblog.com/customer-service-hotel-marketing/comment-page-1/" target="_blank">maybe I think the doormen are more about the hallmark of our industry &#8211; hospitable, friendly customer service &#8211; than marketing</a>.  When marketers start calling normal operations &#8220;marketing&#8221;, you know they are scrambling to make sense of the confusing new world of social media.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">TIG shares their wealth of knowledge with hoteliers, and more!</span></strong></p>
<p>TIG releases more reports, further exemplifying why people want to work with Thayer.  Wow. <a href="http://www.tigglobal.com/dmobestpractices/" target="_blank"> The reports are on Microsites, Mobile, &amp; Apps, as well as a 2 part on Social Media &amp; the DMO Marketer.</a> Double Wow equals video leveraging of insider&#8217;s tips&#8230;. <a href="http://www.hotel-blogs.com/guillaume_thevenot/2010/04/tig-global-explains-in-videos.html" target="_blank">Quick, simple, instructional videos from TIG on internet marketing, hotel SEO, and more</a>!  If you ever have the budget to work with these guys, there is only one answer about whether you should&#8230;. YES. You should.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>MOBILE IS A POINT OF SALE, but remember it isn&#8217;t all or nothing!</strong></span></p>
<p>This one is a slam dunk, because <a href="http://www.hotelnewsresource.com/article44803Location_Based_Mobil_Marketing_Good_News_for_the_Hospitality_Industry.html" target="_blank">Mobile Marketing is Good News for Hotels!</a> Beyond that article, what you really want are actual tips &#8211; not just on energizing your comprehension of  mobile marketing &#8211; but getting into it and doing it right.  Some have deemed it the &#8220;new point of sale&#8221; &#8211; and Mashable helps you figure out how to work with it.   Mashable is sometimes a bit vacuous with mindless social media  fandom&#8230;. but these <a href="http://mashable.com/2010/03/15/location-based-marketing/" target="_blank">*9 tips  about location based marketing*</a> are winners.  If you need some help finding the business page in Foursquare.. well..<a href="http://foursquare.com/businesses/" target="_blank"> it&#8217;s right here</a>.  If you are trying to figure out more, and it&#8217;s over your head&#8230; you might want to consider <a href="http://events.eyefortravel.com/online-marketing/agenda.asp" target="_blank">EYE FOR TRAVEL&#8217;s conference on Mobile in Travel &amp; Hospitality</a> in London, early June. I linked the agenda back there, and if it doesn&#8217;t get you excited about the potential of mobile (or kinetic energy at this point), nothing will.  Social Mobile is the ROI everyone has been salivating for.  Pay attention to it.</p>
<p>But remember&#8230; <a href="http://www.hotelmarketing.com/index.php/content/article/while_mobile_hotel_bookings_surge_traditional_channels_hold_their_own/" target="_blank">as  mobile burgeons, traditional channels still provide results</a>.  Not only do those channels hold tight, so does email marketing (something Hotel Marketing Strategies has been a big supporter of)&#8230; as you can see with some<a href="http://www.hotelmarketingstrategies.com/3-surprising-email-charts/" target="_blank"> surprising information he put together on a recent post</a>.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">COFFEE TALK, or *PHEW* I am sort of getting overwhelmed because I am a hotelier, not a tech guru or social geek!</span></strong></p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to take all these rapid changes with gentle aplomb, some furrowed brows, but a lot of thoughtful shoulder shrugging too.  It&#8217;s important to be a fence sitter sometimes&#8230; accumulate as much data as possible before making any decision.  I am not saying delaying action, but I am suggesting to be thoughtful.  Don&#8217;t automatically become a convert to this new world, because no one really understands it yet.  *NO ONE*.  I think Dick Feynman (a hero of mine) could have said it best:</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=DGiw7rxQLwwC&amp;pg=PA100&amp;lpg=PA100&amp;dq=any+organization+feynman+fence+sitter&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=vBAcyxcpyX&amp;sig=r24g348SwwZ8-HoowskjPiFrscI&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=xZ_QS5vCHYrStgOm45zFCQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false" target="_blank">&#8220;in any organization there ought to be the possibility of discussion&#8230; fence sitting is an art, and it&#8217;s difficult, and it&#8217;s important to do, rather than to go headlong in one direction or the other. It&#8217;s just better to have action, isn&#8217;t it than to sit on the fence? Not if you&#8217;re not sure which way to go, it isn&#8217;t.&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Everyone expected <a href="http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15108618&amp;source=login_payBarrier" target="_blank">the telegraph to kill newspapers</a> (you need to be a paid Economist subscriber to read that fantastic article), the TV to kill the radio, social media to kill traditional methods of marketing&#8230; but we all know that &#8220;sky is falling&#8221; nonsense is just about capturing attention to headlines, and the future will be a mish mash of everything.  Don&#8217;t panic&#8230;. just try to comprehend.  And if you still need a basic review of how to engage in social media, <a href="http://www.marketingtimes.com/2010/04/more-best-practices-for-your-hotel-in-social-media/" target="_blank">here is a fairly competent and quick article about how to do it well</a>.</p>
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<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">BUT THAT&#8217;S JUST CONSERVATIVE HESITATION, because the future is now&#8230;.</span></strong></p>
<p>That warning being said, here&#8217;s something that I call jaw dropping, and possibly a slight peak at the future of a semantic web (as they keep saying.  It&#8217;s the new &#8220;mobile is here! 2006, Mobile is here 2007, mobile is here.. maybe 2008, mobile is coming&#8230; 2009, MOBILE IS TOTALLY FREAKING HERE 2010!) -</p>
<p>SPEED MATTERS&#8230;. This is where the start of today&#8217;s post gets  somewhat scary.  Did you just finish a website re-design, or pump  endless cash for years into internet marketing branding and design?   Well&#8230; those flash laden pages that are pretty when they finally do  load are a drain on your Google ranking&#8230; and your SEO suffers the more  bulky or content laden your sites are.  <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/04/using-site-speed-in-web-search-ranking.html" target="_blank">GOOGLE  ANNOUNCES SPEED IS NOW TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN REGARDS TO INDEXING.</a> In fact, <a href="http://www.hotelmarketing.com/index.php/content/article/google_search_ranking_now_takes_site_speed_into_account/" target="_blank">Hotelmarketing.com  has a good suggestion</a>&#8230; if you use flash, you might want to take a  peak at your own speed&#8230;. and see where you stand.</p>
<p>Which leads us to Adtech SF, and some interesting tweets that I am commenting on in regards to the concept of the dying brand website.</p>
<p>Apparently the brand website is dead (or committed to an iron lung), and <a href="http://twitter.com/HMarketingHelp/status/12593787758" target="_blank">you don&#8217;t need it anymore</a>.</p>
<p>At a fairly important conference  about the advertising &amp; the internet, they basically said that a  brand&#8217;s website is dead.  They are  dealing with some fairly complex issues of sustainability for business  in online competition, coupled with the need to have accessibility to  how your brand exists online.  I am extrapolating off the conversation I heard, but it&#8217;s basically the following:</p>
<p>Basically, a website should be for a booking engine, and directions,  but anything else might not work, especially as google is starting to  improve rankings based off of load time and speed of website.  The idea  is that the way the internet is headed into a more communal area where  it is about niches of relevant interests, and it will be nearly  impossible to leverage a small brand website versus all the community  based chatter in regards to certain topics.  In addition to this, it isn&#8217;t in the best interest of ANY of these communities to lose the potential power of consumer dollars spent through their portal, so why should they happily direct people to you in the first place?  In this, your website is moot because everyone is forming their opinions in conversations with user  generated pictures, stories, etc.  The way search is changing, even  booking engines will exist within social platforms (IE Facebook), and  people will slowly stop visiting your site, and ultimately, no one will  be going to them all together.  Also&#8230; the SEO era is moving into a  &#8220;semantic&#8221; era where search engines will be reading user generated  photos and videos, whether they are tagged or not -</p>
<p>Meaning there is *your* contribution.. a couple expensive photos, an  expensive site &#8211; but the internet community members with keywords and  chatter alone will overwhelm any input you have.  You won&#8217;t be able to  compete with the niche communities that are actively owning *your* brand, vs making your site  relevant or even noticeable in return.  Therefore, your site will be less relevant, be pushed down overall, and even the anciengt codger who won&#8217;t give up the old fashioned way of booking through the hotel&#8217;s site &#8211; well &#8211; it&#8217;s going to be even harder to find.</p>
<p>Scary stuff.  And not that far  off.  It&#8217;s fairly interesting too, but&#8230;..</p>
<p>Time for me to retire. haha.</p>
<p>No &#8211; seriously.  Anyone have an island they could lend?</p>
<p>If those well researched and thoughtful representations of how things will be changing isn&#8217;t far enough in the future, let&#8217;s move a decade down the road&#8230; to 2012 (haha).  These sanguine and cogent predictions aren&#8217;t the typical crazy, wide eyed guru&#8217;s ramblings.  These are smart&#8230; and likely.  <a href="http://www.marketingtimes.com/2010/04/11-predictions-for-social-media-in-2012/" target="_blank">Marketing Times has 11 Predictions for social media in 2012</a>&#8230; and they might interest you.</p>
<p>It sure as hell interests me.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: small;">I imagine this is one of the first mash ups of a live-twittered conference?  If not the first, one of the only ones because this was massively, overly, insanely, time-consuming.  I do think what came of it was worthwhile, and I hope this sort of serves as a testament to all we spoke about and considered during <a href="http://events.eyefortravel.com/social-media/" target="_blank">Eye for Travel SM SF 2010</a>.  First thing: I am not going to list contributor names here &#8211; I assume this is mostly for those who <span id="more-1028"></span>attended, and we know who we are.  However, Susan Black was going to compile a list of everyone involved in the conference for further networking, and think we might be able to do that here?  Please comment and leave your info for people to connect with&#8230;. twitter, buzz, and anything else you wish to share about the conference. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;">The below words are basically a mashup of every single tweet (processed &amp; filtered) from the #smtravel conference (blended with my commentary in the parentheses).   I arranged the information best I could, however *completely* subjective said arrangement is.  I hope it makes some form of sense &#8211; or at least you can potentially peer into the chasm that is my logic.  At the least I hope I didn&#8217;t misquote or misrepresent anyone.  Speaking of transparency &#8211; I left some fairly meaty and helpful implementation/action ideas at the end that were not necessarily even part of the conference&#8230; I figure if you can find them and actually read that far down, well.. you deserve them. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;">I will go out on a limb saying that 100% of the data is accurate, because I basically copy and pasted from the tweet stream.  I am sad to say the nature of making the &#8220;tweety casserole&#8221; of our conference helped it to lose much in the reference &amp; citations arena, but if you need to see the authority and professionalism of those involved, please refer to <a href="http://events.eyefortravel.com/social-media/speakers.asp" target="_blank">list of speakers at the conference</a>.  For those that don&#8217;t know me &#8211; I am a big skeptic, and vigilant about data and non skewed statistics, as well as generally skeptical about enthusiastic marketing. If anyone would like to challenge any of the information or data below, please do!  I am always up for conversation and learning&#8230;. and if incorrect data was given out at this conference I assume we would all like to know (this is highly unlikely)!  So let&#8217;s have at it &#8211;  <a href="http://events.eyefortravel.com/social-media/" target="_blank">Eye For Travel&#8217;s Social Media Conference #smtravel 2010</a>!  (Boy I hope this makes sense)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;">My attempt at organizing the concepts throughout the conference:<br />
</span></p>
<ol>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social Media (general)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Facebook</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Twitter</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Geolocation / Mobile / Augmented Reality<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">ROI</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">User Generated Reviews / Content</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Takeaway / Important Thoughts<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Action / Implementation</span></li>
</ol>
<p>You will note a lot of information on Geolocation/Mobile &amp; User Generated Reviews/Content.  I think that&#8217;s because there is real data, opportunity, and engagement in those areas.  The other areas are more guesswork and hoping.  Twitter provides ROI, to be sure&#8230; but I think we should focus on what provides results, vs. what we like to think *may* work.  In that, I personally suggest you alot some of your Facebook time to understanding and interacting with Geolocation, as well as becoming more involved in the review sites.</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><span style="font-size: large;">I) Social Media</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Stats</span></span>:</span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">83% of adults use social media</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">70% of participants in Social Media are spectators (lurkers &#8211; we know you are out there eating our posts)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">18% of US online leisure travelers do not have a destination in mind when they start their trip planning</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">For every 1/2 sec improvement in landing page download speed, you can increase page views 1-3% (I know.. this is SEOweb design. Sue me)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">58% of travelers use Facebook monthly, 40% use YouTube, 32% to Wikipedia, but 1 in 4 don&#8217;t visit any social media sites (this is in tune with understanding traditional marketing vital, still important, and should be integrated and aware of SM plan)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Email marketing still important but not as effective as it used to be. (I don&#8217;t think I need a stat for that, but 1) it still seems to be effective for some people &amp; 2) it&#8217;s amazing how others simply won&#8217;t let it go when it is no longer effective. It used to be a cure all salve to some marketers)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Consumers follow and fan brands on FB and Twitter to learn about discounts (32%). Learn about new products (19%)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">35 Million LinkedIn updates/week, 600 tweets per second, 5 billion pieces of facebook content a week</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">An angry customer can lose you more customers than a happy customer can bring you new ones</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social networking is the new &#8220;morning coffee&#8221; &#8211; 4 in 10 people wake up to their social circles</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">4 in 10 people recommend products on social media</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">eMarketer reports 81% of marketers say social media significantly extends their e-mail to new markets</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Commentary/Conversation:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">You can choose not to participate in social media conversation but&#8230;.. that is *probably* not a good thing.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Most social media /generated content is crap.  (This reminded me of a very relevant talk by Google CEO Schmidt, and the resulting piece <a href="http://ow.ly/1qqLb" target="_blank">The Cesspool We Call The Internet</a>)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social media is about relinquishing control</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social media/user generated content is the new brochure, and you have no say in how that brochure is made or what it looks like (I like the sentiment but mildly disagree&#8230; I think you be accountable of everything in your control and offer a worthwhile product and the brochure will be to your liking).</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Transparency is not for the faint of heart, and it may not work for everyone.  When people get an update, they want more on a regular basis.  (IMHO, It doesn&#8217;t just happen, you have to fight culture of secrecy that most business cultivates).</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Top 5 trends in Web 2.0 &#8211; </span><span style="font-size: small;">1) Semantic Web 2) SMO (social media optimization) 3) SGO (social graph optimization) 4) Affinity Graph (feel free to elaborate on this one) 5) HyperLocal</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">It is about the quality, not quantity, of followers. 500 committed followers is worth 10,000 non brand interested ones (what sort of followers do contests breed?)<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Soc Media is a communication TOOL &#8211; not a PLATFORM &#8211; &#8220;do you ask for ROI on your telephone?&#8221;</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social Media is not a campaign, it&#8217;s a commitment.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">How do you measure the value of a relationship? Lifetime value = more than the sum of transactions.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">It&#8217;s amplified word of mouth, right? It&#8217;s been happening for years. It&#8217;s about creating community again &#8211; SM just a new channel for old-fashioned business sense.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social Media let&#8217;s your customers do the talking for you.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social media shares elements w/journalism: Who, what, where, why, how. Formula for getting the full story on a subject.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">World has moved form 6 degrees of separation to 2 thanks to social media</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Conversation about your brand will happen without you being aware or taking part&#8230;. you might as well listen.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Whoever earns trust, wins</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Best Practices:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">SOCIAL MEDIA DOES NOT EQUAL DIGITAL MARKETING &#8211; Social Media is 2 way communication (interactivity, conversation, dynamic growth), marketing is one way communication (forced/push marketing, print, billboards)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Good social media is about the 4 E&#8217;s: Educate, Excite, Engage and Evangelize.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Monitor, Engage, Respond.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Have a clear plan &#8211; where do you fit and how can you add value to your guests and social media. But you have to be prepared to manage the conversation.  It&#8217;s not a campaign, it&#8217;s a commitment.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Bake social media DNA into everyone in the organization</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">You wouldn&#8217;t put someone behind the front desk without training. Don&#8217;t put someone in social media without training</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Guest services should respond to social media just like email or phone calls.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Real time recovery is vital to hospitality&#8217;s use of &amp; engagement w/social media &#8211; the internet is fast and speed is key.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">It&#8217;s not about you the brand, it&#8217;s about them &#8211; about being available &amp; listening</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Non participation is akin to ignoring customers &#8211; a lost opportunity to engage, learn and make amends.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social should live across departments like PR, cust svc, marketing, etc. It becomes &#8220;something everyone does&#8221; like email.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">You can become pen pals with some of your customers thru social media. good way to build relationships, brand ambassadors (time consuming)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Using persona&#8217;s to identify your average customers is useful &#8211; but be real, be earnest, be transparent, and have fun.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Utilize effective management to maintain productivity, instead of limiting massively effective tools for business (social media being banned in the workplace)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social media can be a very powerful recruiting tool</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Use analytics &amp; monitoring tools: Omniture, Cision, ReviewAnalyst, eBuzz, Revinate, Radian6</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social Media should be fun with the appropriate tone of conversation.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Manage Social Media both from corporate and property level &#8211; &#8220;Speak in the tone of the medium&#8221;</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Blogs bring value to SEO efforts</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Best ideas are often driven from the bottom up. Always listen to your front line people!</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Experimentation is the key to social media success. Fail cheap, fail fast.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social media is not free. Someone has to own, monitor, track, analyze etc.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">The Return is on customer engagement, and ROI may take some time.</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><span style="font-size: large;">II. Facebook</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Stats:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">100 million people now using Facebook mobile app at least once a month (how many are exploring brand pages?).</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">56% users check Facebook each day</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">48% of people talk about products on Facebook</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">5 billion posts of content from Facebook per week</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Commentary/Conversation:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">&#8220;Facebook will remain relevant because of its privacy controls&#8221; (- My rant: </span><span style="font-size: small;">I wholeheartedly disagree &#8211; twitter inherently allows the user to opt out of privacy, so the user is quite aware of what they are entering into.  Buzz is similar in this respect.  Conversely, Flickr VIGOROUSLY champions the right of privacy &amp; ownership, so does Tribe.net.  Facebook is constantly altering their architecture so as to potentially generate constant cash flow.  These attempts at creation of revenue wholly disregard the individual users&#8217; privacy &amp; bungles the process constantly, while adding layers to a flawed structure/network that is based off of non-meaningful geo-connections.  Connections, of course, should include *immediate* social circles, but the strongest connections are based off interest, not educational institution &#8211; which pits classmates across broad socioeconomic and political backgrounds into similar social circles.  The preceding line is precisely why Facebook *could* eventually fail. The sky is not falling, and the landscape is changing constantly&#8230; but until Facebook figures this out, their dominance is tenuous.  You cannot create a solid network based off of &#8220;loose interests&#8221;.  Topics/Subject matter drive content creation, and content creation drives social networks.  There can be no meaningful brand interaction in &#8220;loose interest&#8221; networks &#8211; there is limited opportunity to get the network effect started around brands if one user who likes you suggests your brand to a user completely foreign to it&#8217;s necessity or disinterested in it&#8217;s existence).<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">I voice constant concern about Facebook &#8211; is the conversation meaningful? Do they book?</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Facebook pages for brands as a &#8220;fad&#8221; was brought up, many disagreed with the concept.</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Best practices:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Instead of attempting to create a new social network, connect with an existing one:  FB connect picks up that slack &#8211; interactivity is at leisure of user. Facebook connect allows published content and comments on both your website and Facebook. Helps build engagement in both places.  Travelmuse received a 30% increase in membership from using Facebook Connect. One of the best ideas was this &#8211; &#8220;It&#8217;s easier to buy access to someone else&#8217;s audience than to try to build up your own in order to market to them&#8221;</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Add a booking widget, customize the tabs and cross-integrate your Social Media channels (connect but do not auto-post &#8211; remain native)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Tag FB pages w/Omniture(Analytic) tags to help measure ROI</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">&#8220;<a href="http://bit.ly/8YtjE7" target="_blank">5 Essential Apps for Your Business’s Facebook Page</a>&#8221; </span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Competitors&#8217;  followers should be at the top of your list of who to find &amp; target</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">The Facebook ads that work best to grow a fan base show the user their &#8220;friends&#8221; that are fans, and has a &#8220;Become A Fan button&#8221; on it.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">FB doesn&#8217;t always grab people not coming to your hotel, so it is often better used locally.  FB pages work GREAT for F&amp;B, spa (incremental revenue).</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">FB apps can best be seen as complimenting a good FB marketing campaign instead of the center of it</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">(I just started realizing the mapped network of facebook pages creates a tighter community online if you connect &#8211; try to get as many local businesses to highlight your page, and vice versa.  Creates a stronger local presence overall.)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Create &#8220;status questions&#8221; (what are you doing today?) so you can check engagement and how often guests interact/check-in with you.<br />
</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>III) Twitter</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Stats:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Michael Perhaes with MGM Grand said Twitter is 5x more effective than email for us, &amp; GM Grand&#8217;s Twitter customers have higher ADR than email customers (someone suggested this as savvy, but honestly I would imagine a savvy consumer to find a lower price?)</span></li>
<li>600 tweets  per second</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Commentary/Conversation:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">If you&#8217;re going to make money, Twitter must become a transactional platform at some point</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Twitter is the new flight attendant call button</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Twitter drives revenue, no doubt about it.  Twitter = ROI, Facebook = idle brand chit chat.<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Young kids don&#8217;t trust it, and think it&#8217;s for old people or fame seekers</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Best practices:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Twitter is not a direct marketing platform</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Twitter can be used as an R&amp;D tool</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Uses &#8220;extended&#8221; shelf space by having multiple twitter accounts to represent brand :chef pages, nightclubs, hotel, spa, etc.  Multiple Twitter accounts for multiple audiences</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Consider integration with API to expose what is tweeted about your brand (like highlighting reviews, it does suggest letting go of message)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Even if you do have a group of people working on social media, don&#8217;t forget to tweet (fb/blog) with personality &#8211; be a real human voice &amp; be real &#8211; but be transparent, be consistent,</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Separate conversation &#8211; promotions, customer service, etc should be separate Twitter accounts so as not to confuse (this is debatable depending on your brand)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">competitors&#8217;  followers should be at the top of your list</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>IV) Geolocation / Mobile<br />
</strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Stats:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Google estimates 50% of web traffic to come thru mobile devices w/in 5 years (if that doesn&#8217;t blow your mind, re-read it slowly, twice).</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">240 million people mobile browsers in 2010, surpassing PCs for first time</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">100 million people now using Facebook mobile app at least once a month</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">According to a recent comScore report, 30.8% of smartphone users accessed social networking sites via their mobile browser in January 2010, up 8.3 points from 22.5% one year ago.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Access to Facebook via mobile browser grew 112% in the past year, while Twitter experienced a 347% jump.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">1 in 3 mobile search queries have local intent</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Mobile Shopping to balloon to $119 Billion by 2015</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Commentary:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Morgans Hotels tagged NYC airport codes on Foursquare during recent blizzards, ran ads, &amp; generated some sales.<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Are iPhone apps a &#8220;flavor of the month&#8221;? Or should you just develop a good mobile-optimized Web site?</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Geolocation tools like Foursquare mark a significant shift in social-real time interaction &#8211; it&#8217;s valid, useful information<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">hyper local = search + social graph + mobile + your location</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Impressive: Morgans Hotel leverages themed twitter hashtags, 4Sq hotel checkins, Artist Generated Content and analytics tools</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Location-based marketing will be a trend. &#8220;It&#8217;s clearly good.&#8221;</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Adding hotel rates to Google search results enhances relevancy of listing &#8211; mobile access &amp; booking to skyrocket.  One thing, however, is that rates in Google maps is customer friendly, but maybe not so great for suppliers (link to maps blog post here: http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2010/03/experiment-to-show-hotel-prices-on.html)</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Best Practices:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">You got me.  I think, again, I defer to Del Ross from ICH &#8211; &#8220;Experimentation is the key to social media success. Fail cheap, fail fast.&#8221;  But frankly, FOCUS ON IT. I would be willing to bet my name that it&#8217;s worth limiting some Facebook time to interacting with Foursquare.</span></li>
</ul>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: large;">V) ROI:</span></span></strong></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Stats:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">What we are after (and trying to define)! *or* &#8220;No clear, easy way to track back social media ROI&#8221; says panel, &#8220;An attribution model has yet to be developed.&#8221;</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Forrester Research says it is a way to enhance relationships with customers, build brand, help hiring &amp; recruitment, engage in customer service, and helps to build employee morale.</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Conversation:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">If social media goals are not clearly communicated, how do u know what &#8220;good&#8221; looks like?</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">If you aren&#8217;t paying attention to conversation about your brand, who is? A different ROI &#8211; Return on Ignorance</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Interesting perspective on generating demand vs conversion in social media. Examples: FB = demand, Yelp = conversion</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Will virtual cash become taxable? (It apparently already is, in some places.)</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Best Practices:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social media is not free. Someone has to own, monitor, track, analyze etc. It is ROCS &#8211; a return on customer satisfaction in early stages</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Measurement involves many different goals, not just sales.  Overall revenue, room nights (Hilton&#8217;s ROI measurement) are just two of them.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Southwest measures SM ROI by: employee satisfaction; ratio of cust compliments to complaints; new signups; conversions.</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">VI) User Generated Reviews / Content</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Stats:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Their data shows that people believe online strangers to friends and family in regards to reviews, user generated content. Expedia</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Travelers search 20 different sites when planning a trip</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">44% of online travelers trust other travelers before commercial advertising</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">32% of Yelp reviews are 5-stars. Only 15% are 1- or 2-stars</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">TripAdvisor has 32 million reviews and gets 16 new contributions every minute.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">TripAdvisor gives less weight to older reviews than newer in terms of ranking</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Content submitted to TripAdvisor at its start 10 years ago is still on the site. There are no plans to remove those.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Management response to critical reviews more important than review content according to Tripadvisor research</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">TripAdvisor says an average traveler reads about 30 reviews</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Only 4% of hotels respond to tripadvisor reviews</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Commentary:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">By being confident, taking ownership, &amp; being enthusiastic, authors have altered or taken bad reviews.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Immediacy of customer feedback on mobile posed to change how companies use social media</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Online Reviews allow satisfied customers play &#8220;ambassadors&#8221; of your business</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Negative reviews play an important role too, you can&#8217;t please 100% of the people 100% of the time</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">it&#8217;s better to join the conversation than not. Reviews can go from 3 to 5 stars because of this</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Best Practices</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Be humble, be swift, be specific &#8211; How a hotel property responds to criticism says more about them than the criticism itself</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">By replying to reviews, you humanize the brand &#8211; it&#8217;s less of a place to complain &amp; more about commerce</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Every negative comment is an opportunity to turn around the relationship, and create a long term brand centric consumer.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Bad reviews are exciting to highlight, celebrate, and learn from. Great marketing opportunity. Your reaction is vital.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">responding is never a knee jerk reaction #smtravel they take a LOT of thought, editing attention.  Good impulse control &#8211; required quality for persons chosen to respond to customer comments on social media</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><span style="font-size: large;">VII) Takeaway &amp; Important Thoughts</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Stats/&#8221;Subjective Facts&#8221; <img src='http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   :</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social media is about relinquishing control</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Google estimates 50% of web traffic to come through mobile devices w/in 5 years</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Investing money in search visibility reduces need to spend money elsewhere.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">If anyone says they are a social media expert, they are lying to you.  We are all learning and failing constantly.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">For every 1/2 sec improvement in landing page download speed, you can increase page views 1-3% (content heavy, uber-marketed sites are going bye bye)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">User Generated Content (UGC) is the 21st century&#8217;s word of mouth, and your new brochure &#8211; and you&#8217;re not the one writing it.  your customers are your new copywriters (Jennifer Davies, Expedia)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Virgin will soon have 3 FTE people handling SM. Hilton has 1. Southwest has 6.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">The new big three in travel = Brazil, China, and India. New travel up 50% in recent years.<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">People under 30 use email only to talk to you if you are over 30, or to talk to brands/companies (suggests the data&#8230; there are exceptions to these facts)<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social media matters, but does not replace traditional channels. One in four travelers are not on social networks</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">People want to connect, people want to share: this is what drives social media growth</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Commentary:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Ignoring social media today is like ignoring Google in 1999.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Customers no longer search for news &amp; deals &#8212; they want the deals to find them</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">It&#8217;s a conversation, not a broadcast. Be authentic, honest, transparent.<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Think about shaping conversation, not controlling it</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">When social media relationships become &#8220;real&#8221; they become private &amp; go offline</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social Media is most powerful when integrated directly with the product</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Work with your competitors to create a &#8220;trend&#8221; for media coverage</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social media is not a &#8220;nice to have&#8221; anymore. It now must be a part of an integrated marketing strategy (but it isn&#8217;t just marketing, and it isn&#8217;t just a strategy)</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">It&#8217;s easier to buy access to someone else&#8217;s audience than to try to build up your own in order to market to them</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Consumers want you to engage with them in social media, but only when and where they want to hear from you.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Not sure contests are meaningful so much as getting endless non brand centric people following you for free &#8220;stuff&#8221;. Free stuff followers are not as useful as brand followers.<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">&#8220;Social Media builds employee morale&#8221; was a concept that came up a couple times during the conference.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">You don&#8217;t market what you want to say. You market what your customers want to hear.</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Best practices:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Social operates on a shoestring at most brands &#8211; requires empowerment, education and training to succeed</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Not all social media programs are the same.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">It&#8217;s important not to isolate social media for the organization; you need to immerse your business in it. It&#8217;s everyone&#8217;s job&#8230;. it shouldn&#8217;t be just one person.<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Make conscious choice for structure &#8211; do not do the easy thing and lump it with PR or Marketing</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Use everything as an opportunity for learning &#8211; Don&#8217;t overreact to customer comments</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Flickr, YouTube good social media for hotels to use for customer engagement. Visual content very importnat for hotels (and has SEO value too)<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Leverage existing social networks and influencers &#8211; go to existing communities instead of wasting time and money building one (Facebook Connect, for example, expanding between brand site and &#8220;vibrant&#8221; community).</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Consider a dedicated page on your website for social media &#8211; Hard Rock Hotel has one full page dedicated to all social media &amp; review sites.  To shatter industry benchmarks, it&#8217;s essential to bake your SM strategy into your site.  Consider your market &#8211; go to where they are and engage them. Morgans Hotels has whole website section dedicated to music</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Employees can take brand message, localize it, and put their personality behind it. &#8211; participation FUN for employees! Don&#8217;t just throw a bunch of rules at them.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">The days of content heavy &amp; marketed website are changing &#8211; they go to review sites and then go to the hotel site for booking.  Consumers don&#8217;t trust pretty, over the top, content laden sites.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">By utilizing closed loop promotions you maintain parity with OTA’s.</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">VIII) HHOTELCONSULT&#8217;S Action / Implementation</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">For FB: </span></span></p>
<ul>
<li>Add  booking widget, customize the tabs and cross-integrate your social media channels.</li>
<li>Add  analytics tracking wherever you can to gauge success in raw data form</li>
<li>virtual  gifts/money (First 10 to post get a comp glass of wine, and then after posts say the deal is the free glass has to be for a close friend&#8230; be tricky, have fun, get creative)</li>
<li>Leverage  Facebook Connect when possible.</li>
<li>allow  management to post changes, updates, pics</li>
<li>Birthday  related offer?</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">For Twitter</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li>compartmentalize  social media campaign by having smaller departments reach out &#8211;  multiple twitter accounts across all hotels for different reasons &#8211; chef, F&amp;B, sales/banquets, spa (whichever works or would be viable)</li>
<li>add  analytics tracking</li>
<li>integrate/allow  management to post changes, updates, pics</li>
<li>Reached  out to influencers at smaller groups &#8211; 500-700% ROI from inviting  &#8220;influentials&#8221; to a tasting</li>
<li>Twestival?</li>
<li>Birthday  related offers?</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">For Geolocation:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Research about Gowalla, Twhrrl, others we can possibly interact with?</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Create Foursquare Mayoral Advisory Board</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Foursquare deals/offers</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Flash mob or Swarm Badge opportunity?<br />
</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Website</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">local tweet map on site mashing up tweets with brand mentions, associated conversations<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">have one dedicated social media page per hotel</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">If you offer discounts, info, events, etc online, make them &#8220;Facebookable&#8221; and &#8220;Twitterable&#8221;</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Misc:</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Be creative &#8211; Morgan&#8217;s printed QR codes on cocktail napkins</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">showing OK Go on YouTube $100,000 spend to sponsor video &#8211; less than 3 weeks 10 million views on YouTube. Press exposure</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Fairmont launched dedicated Presidents Club forum on FlyerTalk in July &#8217;09. Now has 412 threads; page views &gt;200,000</span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Follow Up Questions (endless, frankly &#8211; and I WANT TO HEAR YOURS! What didn&#8217;t we talk about that you wanted to talk about?):</span></span></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">I would like to chat more about HOW, &amp; not WHAT: how to integrate API&#8217;s, how to interact w/mobile-geolocation, how to implement facebook connect, etc. Check out mobile hotel app &#8211; Smart Stay<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Contact morgans about themed hashtags &#8211; Morgans Hotels tagged NYC airport codes on Foursquare during recent blizzards, ran ads, &amp; generated some sales.<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Live streaming video &amp; webcam opportunities?<br />
</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">Is creating a list of your hotel&#8217;s followers on twitter necessary?</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: small;">How do you use FB connect for one small hotel?</span></li>
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		<title>4 steps to becoming a successful Concierge 2.0 for your property</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have to cordially, professionally, and earnestly engage anyone and everyone. Not because you are trying to brand your hotel… but because you are a real service provider that is inherently interested in fulfilling guests, helping the community, and creating harmony in people's lives.  This isn't advice.... this is a way of life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kirby from Hotels Magazine has written <a href="http://www.hotelsmag.com/blog/1720000572/post/1730046973.html">a great piece</a> about <a href="http://www.twitter.comhiltonsuggests" target="_parent">@hiltonsuggests</a> and their new model of using twitter. In light of that, the massive amount of new twitterers/followers since my posts about the development of an &#8220;e-concierge / Concierge 2.0&#8243; role, as well as how to effectively establish and utilize your brand using the tool of social media&#8230; I thought I would expand a bit and touch on it again.</p>
<p>It is exciting to see brands establishing themselves as I had envisioned&#8230; not vapid spam marketing, but being leaders in helping guests. Hospitality is the name of the game, and the only way to build your brand isn&#8217;t to market it, so much as effectively position it, with deference to your guests and not your marketing department.</p>
<p>Kirby&#8217;s post talks about active searching for guests, instead of the passive approach; letting them come to you. Albeit a massive undertaking for a flag like Hilton, it will also be incredible effective.   I have been doing this for a couple years, and it really works. If you are a property with hot springs&#8230; search hot springs.  If you are a property in a wine growing region with fine dining&#8230; I think you get it. Fact is, this is INCREDIBLY time consuming, and I have backed off of it a little in need of positioning and building the social media presence for a number of clients&#8230; but there should be a point I am back to having the time to filter through aggressive wide netting of google alerts, backtype, twitter search, and other RSS&#8217;.  In fact, I think I totally melted down at one point through a blog post, as noted <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/05/06/the-temporal-black-hole/" target="_parent">here</a>.</p>
<p>In fact&#8230; the following will start to really help you position your property on something like twitter:</p>
<p>1) Firmly commit yourself to the geography and history &#8211; know your story, know where you came from, and know what your offerings are, what makes you special.. and share it!</p>
<p>2) Ingratiate yourself to the community &#8211; share city and county wide news, events, stories, photos, etc. Celebrate the Juniour Varsity going to state, or the new art gallery exhibit.   People don&#8217;t often care about a hotel.   They *do* care about what matters to *them*.   If you share and come together over similar interests, you will start to matter to the social web.  Become a leader in information about your surroundings and tap into people&#8217;s interests.  It isn&#8217;t all about *you*. It isn&#8217;t about wanting to sell your rooms, talk about your rentals, or pitch your restaurant.  If you are myopic enough to think only of yourself, you won&#8217;t be as relevant as if you represent yourself as part of a community.  Don’t just offer a room rate, talk about what makes a room special – from the historic quirks to green room design.   Instead of selling your bike rentals, talk about the incredible<span id="more-782"></span> trails &amp; picnic day trips in the area.  If you have a nice restaurant, talk about all the local farms you buy from and the guests you have, instead of just putting a discount/special out there.  If you have a spa, tell a story about one of the favourite therapists instead of just saying &#8220;1/2 off&#8221;. If you have meeting rooms to sell&#8230;. talk about one of the cool groups that came to the property and why they excited you.  Involving more than just yourself will stimulate and open up conversation.  Could I go on?  Obviously&#8230; but I am assuming you are getting it.  Social Media is *NOT* a print ad.  It is a relationship, networking, and interaction.  One sided, spam-like deal tweets will only help you get recognized long enough for the people to ignore you.</p>
<p>3) Build a culture and humanity around your property&#8230; not just a shallow marketing effort.  You need to humanize and personalize your activities online. If you are nothing more than an RSS feed for your hotel, people will walk away.  You need to show you are a real person… so wear your quirks and emotions on your sleeve.   If you are an emotionless robot, people won’t notice you… but if your energy, personality, and even idiosyncrasies, show through… it will truly create a more meaningful and real experience for other users.  If you play at the deferential professional being obsequious with no character… that will only reflect on your hotel in a negative light.  You need to intone and create a sense of “soft and comfy beds”, rather than sterile hallways littered with emotionless automatons.  Always be professional, but for criminy *BE REAL*!!!!</p>
<p>4) Then…                    after all this….                 you become the Concierge 2.0.  Help anyone and everyone REGARDLESS of whether they are utilizing or recognizing your brand. You cannot be so disingenuous that you will only engage people you think will bring you business.  You have to cordially, professionally, and earnestly engage anyone and everyone.  Not because you are trying to brand your hotel… but because you are a real service provider that is inherently interested in fulfilling guests, helping the community, and creating harmony in people&#8217;s lives.  This isn&#8217;t advice&#8230;. this is a way of life.</p>
<p>Hospitality is about service, consistency, and making people happy.  Don’t make it more complex than that…. Follow that as an ultimate guideline in creating your business online, as well as in the real world.  You are there to stay open, pay your employees, and hopefully walk out with a little profit (someday).  But the only thing that will keep you there is the community, and the community is filled with living and breathing people that need to be respected and treated with integrity… online and off.  If you treat social media as a marketing tool, you are not only going to miss the point, you may actually damage your brand.   But if you are real, engaging, enthusiastic, and humanize your property, you could become indispensable to the people and surroundings of your area.</p>
<p>I know I have been slow on blogs lately… I have a security related blog coming, as well as follow up to my <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/03/30/its-not-a-movement-anymore-green-leed-is-just-the-way-we-do-business-now/" target="_parent">LEED and eco-resort</a> related blog post.  In fact, I seem to always have one or two in the wings, but for some reason this caught me.  I will repost some of my older blogs that discusses this online concierge method of utilizing social media:  “<a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/03/04/the-new-job-description-concierge-20-what-makes-an-excellent-brand-managerhotel-smo/" target="_parent">Concierge 2.0</a>”, “<a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/03/12/what-do-you-say-about-managers-not-in-the-room-or-hotel-managers-dont-get-caught-unaware-like-you-did-during-the-optimization-period-of-the-90s/" target="_parent">What do you say about managers not in the room</a>”, and “<a href="http:// www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/02/25/the-stress-of-social-media-on-marketing-and-pr-firms-or-did-we-just-create-a-new-position-for-real/">Did we Just Create a New Position for Real??</a>”</p>
<p>Cheers all!</p>
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		<title>Why you will never trust Yelp ever again</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this is your algorithm yelp, you have built your business on one of the most flawed I have seen.  Just my two cents.  If real reviews by real people is what this is all about, yelp has some serious explaining to do about the incredible flaw in their model.  I don't think this is fixable, and I don't think they can defend it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NB: As soon as Yelp sees this, they will be working on fixing these specific errors, which is fine.  The point is that these exist&#8230; endlessly&#8230; throughout the site, and these were just the obvious ones I cataloged in a few hours.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>I was so pleased to see a 2 star review disappear from one of my client&#8217;s pages today&#8230; one that sponsors yelp.  I doubt that means anything, because the below problem looks as if it follows zero rhyme or reason.  This looks like that algorithm really does have a secret aspect about it&#8230;. that it is irrevocably flawed.</p>
<p>So&#8230; this isn&#8217;t about yelp being unethical.  This isn&#8217;t about deliberate unethical behavior.  All Jeremy Stoppleman seems to do is look for blogs, waiting to defensively react against criticism&#8230; usually ending with the incredibly vapid &#8220;it&#8217;s the algorithm and it&#8217;s secret&#8221; argument.  But really, that&#8217;s harmless.</p>
<p>However, that argument might not hold water anymore guys.  Below is an afternoon of research, and it is hardly complete.  This could go on forever.  Hopefully&#8230; you will recognize that this is enough proof that the integrity of yelp, and it&#8217;s functionality, is endlessly flawed.  This is about a faulty algorithm, no more no less.  The below links are <span id="more-607"></span>all too self explanatory&#8230;. pointing out profiles with reviews that are suppressed from business pages.  Whether or not it is about &#8220;maintaining the integrity of yelp&#8221; as they so often suggest is moot&#8230;.</p>
<p>These are real people, and real reviews.  In the below documentation, I have often countered the suppressed review of a certain business by highlighting a reviewer that has a nearly similar profile that actually *has* a review posted.  What that means is that many of the profiles that have suppressed reviews are no different from reviews that are posted on the site (sometimes no avatar/pic, sometimes very few reviews, sometimes long periods between reviews)</p>
<p>Many of the arguments against the below research will be:</p>
<p>1) that they don&#8217;t have a picture&#8230;. but many of the posted reviews do not have a pic as well.  You have to start out with a fresh profile at some point.  If they aren&#8217;t giving a voice to people, why would anyone finish updating a profile anyway.</p>
<p>2) Yelp is protecting against &#8220;one hit wonders&#8221;&#8230;. but that won&#8217;t stand up, in that many of those people have completed profiles with many reviews that are totally legitimate.  What&#8217;s more, some businesses pages have multiple one hit wonders, just to have one of those suppressed?</p>
<p>I also find it interesting that, after a person voices concern on a talk thread&#8230;. the reviews magically appear.  I am not suggesting that yelp is reviewing talk threads and acting accordingly when people bring this issue up, but look for yourself&#8230;. seems a lot of the voiced reviewers&#8217; concerns have been placated since the beginning of those threads.  I guess it is tantamount to yelp having the mistake brought to it&#8217;s attention, and fixing that error.  Admitting that the algorithm is flawed is one thing&#8230; but having to constantly correct and second guess, or act as oversite, sort of lessens any integrity or trust I had in the site.  If I have to sit and think about whether it is honest, or whether it can be trusted&#8230; well isn&#8217;t that a problem?  Many yelpers I have spoken with don&#8217;t think so.  You decide.</p>
<p>I have also supplied links to other talk threads where people are simply confused about flagged reviews, or why their review was taken down or isn&#8217;t showing.  I added some confused businesses to boot.</p>
<p>If this is your algorithm yelp, you have built your business on one of the most flawed I have seen.  Just my two cents.  If real reviews by real people is what this is all about, yelp has some serious explaining to do about the incredible flaw in their model.  I don&#8217;t think this is fixable, and I don&#8217;t think they can defend it.</p>
<p>Frankly, I love yelp.  I hope they can.  I think they may want to start.  I knew this wasn&#8217;t out and out unethical behaviour&#8230; it was just a deeply flawed model.</p>
<p>If you have any odd situations like this&#8230;. a review on your profile not existing on a business page, or confusion of the lack of transparency or communication on yelp&#8217;s part&#8230; let it be heard.</p>
<p>I may be way, way off on this.  But the below is interesting to me.  I hope it is for you as well.  While we wait for transparency, communication, openness, earnestness, and any ounce of interest in clearing up the confusion&#8230; Jeremy will pop into any conversation acting defensive and contradictory.  Instead of being defensive and having to always manage bad press&#8230; why not just fix it?</p>
<p>Funny that yelp helped destroy the original marketing model so you can no longer damage control or control any &#8220;message&#8221;&#8230;. which is precisely what yelp is retroactively doing when things like this come up.</p>
<p>I have said it before&#8230; you need to be an ethical business that consumers identify with, and have an ethos that draws people to &#8220;opt-in&#8221; to your offering&#8230; and not trick people into thinking you are something you are not.  If you aren&#8217;t ethical, or you aren&#8217;t run well&#8230; people will find out.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that yelp is both.</p>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=gyMJq4pTHJKp5yWlXi9O4g">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=gyMJq4pTHJKp5yWlXi9O4g</a></td>
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<td class="xl68" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">none   of her reviews show on business pages at this point… while on this talk   thread it used</p>
<p>to be only two were missing</td>
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<td class="xl65" colspan="2"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-yelp-removed-your-review-since-its-still-on-your-profile-nows-your-chance-to-highlight-it-anyway">http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-yelp-removed-your-review-since-its-still-on-your-profile-nows-your-chance-to-highlight-it-anyway</a></td>
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<td class="xl68" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">this   guys &#8220;Review of the Day&#8221; doesn&#8217;t even show up on the business listing</td>
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<td class="xl65" colspan="2"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/los-angeles-where-did-my-review-go#WB3_mpBJsWzGhkhtGwC0FQ" target="_parent">http://www.yelp.com/topic/los-angeles-where-did-my-review-go#WB3_mpBJsWzGhkhtGwC0FQ</a></td>
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<td class="xl68" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">none   of the review appear on any biz listing… he doesn&#8217;t realize it.</td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">hers doesn&#8217;t   appear on the biz page,</p>
<p>but another no avatar, single reviewer does show on the biz page…</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/asti-financial-management-berkeley#hrid:TMne1Er_Hl1fMLR1pMP1-g">http://www.yelp.com/biz/asti-financial-management-berkeley#hrid:TMne1Er_Hl1fMLR1pMP1-g</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=9VPUQC74r5e3Id87v4vNZQ">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=9VPUQC74r5e3Id87v4vNZQ</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">this woman   has 7 reviews.  The only one that   appears on a biz page is on a business that</p>
<p>sponsors.  That is VERY interesting to me.</td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">his reviews   do not appear on any businesses</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details_reviews_self?userid=8q6T22w592Qug-gLdrjbDA">http://www.yelp.com/user_details_reviews_self?userid=8q6T22w592Qug-gLdrjbDA</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">this   reviewer&#8217;s 2 star review doesn&#8217;t appear on the sponsored business page:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/stanford-terrace-inn-palo-alto#hrid:6rjFikh70AdHsjBMMTU11w">http://www.yelp.com/biz/stanford-terrace-inn-palo-alto#hrid:6rjFikh70AdHsjBMMTU11w</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=3MKBPOJGCEO6lL7wt_UbVQ">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=3MKBPOJGCEO6lL7wt_UbVQ</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">this   reviewer has 2 reviews of 11 that show on business listings</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/portland-whats-up-with-the-censorship-on-this-site#tqutOoU9rc82s1SOTVCGpg">http://www.yelp.com/topic/portland-whats-up-with-the-censorship-on-this-site#tqutOoU9rc82s1SOTVCGpg</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=wzyPvJn5L-SqowsHr4oRSw">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=wzyPvJn5L-SqowsHr4oRSw</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">none of this   users reviews show up on any bizzes</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=3ETbUREjVDUjXL2Uv4-_zQ">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=3ETbUREjVDUjXL2Uv4-_zQ</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/werecoverdata-com-new-york">http://www.yelp.com/biz/werecoverdata-com-new-york</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/lola-staars-dreamland-roller-rink-brooklyn#hrid:1z1_3Ol6OrwAonHibF1PPA">http://www.yelp.com/biz/lola-staars-dreamland-roller-rink-brooklyn#hrid:1z1_3Ol6OrwAonHibF1PPA</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/henson-bridal-galleria-and-tuxedo-san-jose#hrid:GNpWkffZuzM-JxoZzhVmMw">http://www.yelp.com/biz/henson-bridal-galleria-and-tuxedo-san-jose#hrid:GNpWkffZuzM-JxoZzhVmMw</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=oAf9OkoaeE252ijLydHUqA">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=oAf9OkoaeE252ijLydHUqA</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/atlanta-reviews-not-posting-in-search-results?fsid=idVLDswr1g1d8OtxfrIUnA">http://www.yelp.com/topic/atlanta-reviews-not-posting-in-search-results?fsid=idVLDswr1g1d8OtxfrIUnA</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">doesn&#8217;t show   up here… while other one star reviews do:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/towbin-dodge-dodge-truck-henderson#hrid:2p8yEkKVcSxDFsEBLAxC1g">http://www.yelp.com/biz/towbin-dodge-dodge-truck-henderson#hrid:2p8yEkKVcSxDFsEBLAxC1g</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-uh-one-of-my-reviews-disappeared#QMYF1_EL78EEJzegCkGedA">http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-uh-one-of-my-reviews-disappeared#QMYF1_EL78EEJzegCkGedA</a></td>
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<td class="xl68" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">gent   deleted reviews he was talking about, so no review proof &#8211; but the thread   stands.</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=iaLIHMZviMZJZikeETMQHg">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=iaLIHMZviMZJZikeETMQHg</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">none of her   reviews show up… even with businesses that have people reviewing</p>
<p>with no   avatar and less reviews (less credible)</td>
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<td class="xl65" colspan="2"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/now-voyager-travel-agency-huntington-beach#hrid:e8P8hvyxEFm3C_sUClwQAw">http://www.yelp.com/biz/now-voyager-travel-agency-huntington-beach#hrid:e8P8hvyxEFm3C_sUClwQAw</a></td>
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<td class="xl67" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>REVIEWS   THAT ARE NOW SHOWING AFTER </strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>USER COMPLAINS ON TALK FORUM</strong></span></span></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=DEb2CkbiLne3c-sTqNyoGQ">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=DEb2CkbiLne3c-sTqNyoGQ</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">complained   on this thread…. that reviews weren&#8217;t showing up.  Now all of them do.</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-why-don-t-my-reviews-show-up-under-the-places-i-ve-reviewed#_oM2gZmsjLIaoOx4hqCFgw">http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-why-don-t-my-reviews-show-up-under-the-places-i-ve-reviewed#_oM2gZmsjLIaoOx4hqCFgw</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=4dsM6431y8gQXowb953_bQ">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=4dsM6431y8gQXowb953_bQ</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">complained   on this thread:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/portland-problem-with-posting-of-review">http://www.yelp.com/topic/portland-problem-with-posting-of-review</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">now it   does…plus a very sad story of a GREAT reviewer that gave up… cancelled the   account even while liking yelp</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details_reviews_self?userid=1N54AcaexFveFQaBCKIlMA&amp;rec_pagestart=20">http://www.yelp.com/user_details_reviews_self?userid=1N54AcaexFveFQaBCKIlMA&amp;rec_pagestart=20</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">complained   on this thread:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/beaverton-why-arent-all-of-my-reviews-being-shown#-mnjEEUYdHopzQcpTRTemg">http://www.yelp.com/topic/beaverton-why-arent-all-of-my-reviews-being-shown#-mnjEEUYdHopzQcpTRTemg</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">now all the   reviews are showing up.</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=nC_y1OtxQI750XVzlcZPQg">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=nC_y1OtxQI750XVzlcZPQg</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">complained   on this thread:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/fremont-yelp-is-doing-some-hidden-funny-things-i-started-doubting-their-integrity-now">http://www.yelp.com/topic/fremont-yelp-is-doing-some-hidden-funny-things-i-started-doubting-their-integrity-now</a></td>
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<td class="xl68" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">now   the grocery store review is up (I helped clue him in to that)</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-yelp-supresses-reviews">http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-yelp-supresses-reviews</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">complained   on this thread:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-yelp-supresses-reviews">http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-yelp-supresses-reviews</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">now all the   reviews are up.</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=t_S7p5-qmdP000VKZ4n01w">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=t_S7p5-qmdP000VKZ4n01w</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">complained   on this thread:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/brooklyn-glowing-review-removed#6k65NqTqXrei64O98g_aeg">http://www.yelp.com/topic/brooklyn-glowing-review-removed#6k65NqTqXrei64O98g_aeg</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="2" height="20">now it is up</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=1sK5OpYWF7Y0ZTGVpwTnOQ">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=1sK5OpYWF7Y0ZTGVpwTnOQ</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">complained   in this thread:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-pablo-the-amzinf-disappearing-review#coNU_pOAtTRsMJuOuVT_xA">http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-pablo-the-amzinf-disappearing-review#coNU_pOAtTRsMJuOuVT_xA</a></td>
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<td class="xl68" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="2" height="20">now   it&#8217;s up</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=Ol6V3-kgp0-Og9LKaud9sg">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=Ol6V3-kgp0-Og9LKaud9sg</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">complained   in this thread:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-does-yelp-censor#zA17qI4G0HgRJqnAh-Nkgw">http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-does-yelp-censor#zA17qI4G0HgRJqnAh-Nkgw</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">and now the   review appears</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details_reviews_self?userid=7LHvEpxVKXOtkhC6Jf014w&amp;rec_pagestart=10&amp;review_sort=time">http://www.yelp.com/user_details_reviews_self?userid=7LHvEpxVKXOtkhC6Jf014w&amp;rec_pagestart=10&amp;review_sort=time</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="2" height="20">complained   here:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details_reviews_self?userid=7LHvEpxVKXOtkhC6Jf014w&amp;rec_pagestart=10&amp;review_sort=time">http://www.yelp.com/user_details_reviews_self?userid=7LHvEpxVKXOtkhC6Jf014w&amp;rec_pagestart=10&amp;review_sort=time</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="2" height="20">now it   appears</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=wsGS2otcPx4LLkSWyWdcUw">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=wsGS2otcPx4LLkSWyWdcUw</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="2" height="20">complained   here:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/agoura-hills-why-has-my-review-been-removed#bUrhfj3FzulUNqjEZS_z1g">http://www.yelp.com/topic/agoura-hills-why-has-my-review-been-removed#bUrhfj3FzulUNqjEZS_z1g</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="2" height="20">now they are   up</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details_reviews_self?userid=AvweIsR_aZU69IAJDOEJAg&amp;rec_pagestart=10&amp;review_sort=time">http://www.yelp.com/user_details_reviews_self?userid=AvweIsR_aZU69IAJDOEJAg&amp;rec_pagestart=10&amp;review_sort=time</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="2" height="20">complained   here:</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-is-yelp-doing-something-weird-to-our-reviews">http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-is-yelp-doing-something-weird-to-our-reviews</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="2" height="20">now they are   up</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=1N54AcaexFveFQaBCKIlMA">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=1N54AcaexFveFQaBCKIlMA</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">complained…   now they are up.</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/beaverton-why-arent-all-of-my-reviews-being-shown#-mnjEEUYdHopzQcpTRTemg">http://www.yelp.com/topic/beaverton-why-arent-all-of-my-reviews-being-shown#-mnjEEUYdHopzQcpTRTemg</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=-qklwtEuXpF72Mvhcdh8ig">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=-qklwtEuXpF72Mvhcdh8ig</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-who-ate-my-reviews#bUdvKtzqfOYnrlVZWS1GjQ">http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-who-ate-my-reviews#bUdvKtzqfOYnrlVZWS1GjQ</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">meaning the   algorithm is inherently flawed, and they are covering it up?  Not sure…. But all this is whack.</td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">whatever the   case…. Something is surely weird.</td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-where-did-my-review-go#MFVhBC-oDBExLGizR799YA">http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-where-did-my-review-go#MFVhBC-oDBExLGizR799YA</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-shrugs-tryn-2-figure-this-out-where-is-my-post-at-on-a-review-ugg#o9oqnm-Jz8DWU2kr-yu04A">http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-shrugs-tryn-2-figure-this-out-where-is-my-post-at-on-a-review-ugg#o9oqnm-Jz8DWU2kr-yu04A</a></td>
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<td style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20">still not   sure about this… contacted the person</td>
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<td class="xl69" style="height: 15.75pt;" colspan="3" height="21"><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>DELETED   REVIEWS / CONFUSING FLAGGING ISSUES</strong></span></td>
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<td class="xl66" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><strong>threads   about deleted user reviews</strong></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/oakland-my-review-got-yanked#QxLuQZqGQtd3PkNTpm9-Lw" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/topic/oakland-my-review-got-yanked#QxLuQZqGQtd3PkNTpm9-Lw</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-silly-question---was-my-review-removed#wGmx2FY2Sl_b-WT3cMjsFA" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-silly-question&#8212;was-my-review-removed#wGmx2FY2Sl_b-WT3cMjsFA</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-whats-up-with-bad-reviews-disappearing#g3lEZlAnjlGnFv_aMHEjPA" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-whats-up-with-bad-reviews-disappearing#g3lEZlAnjlGnFv_aMHEjPA</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-anone-else-have-their-rotds-removed-what-is-that-all-about-yelp#kqDne9jdAJIcOMal93eQow" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-anone-else-have-their-rotds-removed-what-is-that-all-about-yelp#kqDne9jdAJIcOMal93eQow</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-mateo-deletion-of-reviews#eD3aFpK7JcI1jVXesUQC8w" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-mateo-deletion-of-reviews#eD3aFpK7JcI1jVXesUQC8w</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-how-many-reviews-have-you-had-removed#ZSDkGYIMFb9NJU5PeIg9Lg" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-how-many-reviews-have-you-had-removed#ZSDkGYIMFb9NJU5PeIg9Lg</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/oakland-negative-review-of-uhuru-removed-by-yelp#Md_El529jjZuFAvDKzbn4A" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/topic/oakland-negative-review-of-uhuru-removed-by-yelp#Md_El529jjZuFAvDKzbn4A</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-why-are-my-reviews-being-removed#C3edzevtzTWa9WxwUpdjbQ" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-why-are-my-reviews-being-removed#C3edzevtzTWa9WxwUpdjbQ</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-so-i-just-got-an-email-from-pam-at-yelp#6wSQt44HUjynGK_962eXPQ" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-so-i-just-got-an-email-from-pam-at-yelp#6wSQt44HUjynGK_962eXPQ</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/hayward-yanked-reviews-by-yelp#8y-fTlqTcJq4s4l_6qZOeA" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/topic/hayward-yanked-reviews-by-yelp#8y-fTlqTcJq4s4l_6qZOeA</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-yelp-is-mean">http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-yelp-is-mean</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-alrighty-who#-R6SvwnYKb3382DNUO9diA">http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-alrighty-who#-R6SvwnYKb3382DNUO9diA</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/portland-rip---my-review">http://www.yelp.com/topic/portland-rip&#8212;my-review</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=1sK5OpYWF7Y0ZTGVpwTnOQ">http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=1sK5OpYWF7Y0ZTGVpwTnOQ</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/sunnyvale-yelp-censors-reviews-and-their-explanation-is-not-credible#QgT9ykALksPqmRvoKmfJtg">http://www.yelp.com/topic/sunnyvale-yelp-censors-reviews-and-their-explanation-is-not-credible#QgT9ykALksPqmRvoKmfJtg</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/henderson-why-is-my-review-gone#oEJzLJjKoxpmexITuMeIWw">http://www.yelp.com/topic/henderson-why-is-my-review-gone#oEJzLJjKoxpmexITuMeIWw</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-flagged-review-question#PgmRuj4fLsk3nUF_mW5E4g">http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-flagged-review-question#PgmRuj4fLsk3nUF_mW5E4g</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/long-beach-i-am-expereincing-a-little-hate-of-yelp-hq#NEGMPgQ8xcn_V3rcr1e4NA">http://www.yelp.com/topic/long-beach-i-am-expereincing-a-little-hate-of-yelp-hq#NEGMPgQ8xcn_V3rcr1e4NA</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/anaheim-review-removed-why#lkYee7UqKdFrOEtvO0dyXg">http://www.yelp.com/topic/anaheim-review-removed-why#lkYee7UqKdFrOEtvO0dyXg</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/los-angeles-business-owners-taking-down-reviews">http://www.yelp.com/topic/los-angeles-business-owners-taking-down-reviews</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-reviews-not-showing-up#2Q7a9PaqENvMYdfp91XkLA">http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-reviews-not-showing-up#2Q7a9PaqENvMYdfp91XkLA</a></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-my-review-dissappeared#zB6y-2bTe593WriCKipoYA">http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-my-review-dissappeared#zB6y-2bTe593WriCKipoYA</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-my-review-dissappeared#zB6y-2bTe593WriCKipoYA  http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-yelp-just-deleted-62-of-my-reviews-without-warning ">http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-yelp-just-deleted-62-of-my-reviews-without-warning<br />
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-the-amazing-disappearing-review#SjfRzmmkk3XUYHgBXpdUDw">http://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-the-amazing-disappearing-review#SjfRzmmkk3XUYHgBXpdUDw</a></td>
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<td class="xl66" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><strong>threads   about businesses totally confused about disappearing reviews</strong></td>
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<td class="xl65" style="height: 15pt;" colspan="3" height="20"><a href="http://www.yelp.com/topic/foster-city-yelp-is-rigged#G2_Vv-7dz5enx_96CWA5og">http://www.yelp.com/topic/foster-city-yelp-is-rigged#G2_Vv-7dz5enx_96CWA5og</a></td>
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		<title>Yelp to allow Businesses to respond to reviews publically.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Below was sent to &#8220;elite&#8221; (read &#8220;drunken&#8221;) members of yelp. This is INCREDIBLY exciting. This will legitimize yelp, and I have to say this is the most important development in the last couple months in social media. This is huge, exciting, and I am very happy to explore this with my hotels. What a PHENOMENAL [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below was sent to &#8220;elite&#8221; (read &#8220;drunken&#8221;) members of yelp.  This is INCREDIBLY exciting.  This will legitimize yelp, and I have to say this is the most important development in the last couple months in social media.  This is huge, exciting, and I am very happy to explore this with my hotels.  What a PHENOMENAL tool.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;from yelp&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>As a member of the Elite Squad, I wanted you to be among the first to know about a new feature that is rolling out in about a week or so. It&#8217;s called Business Owner Comments, and as the name suggests, it will allow a business owner to write a public Comment after any given review. Comments will be the latest addition to the free Business Owner&#8217;s Account that any business owner can <span id="more-602"></span>sign up for, and that lets them add Photos, post Special Offers and create an &#8216;About This Business&#8217; section (for more info, read up <a href="http://www.yelp.com/business" target="_blank">*here*</a>). As a reviewer, you&#8217;ll be emailed each time you receive a new Comment, just like when you get a Compliment.</p>
<p>The goal is for all Comments to be pleasant and useful. For example, if you wrote a glowing 5-star review some months ago about your favorite pub, in which you mention drinking Harp because they didn&#8217;t carry Guinness&#8230; both you and other readers would probably be happy to see a new Comment saying, &#8220;Just got our Guinness tap last week. Hope to see you soon!&#8221; Here are a couple other example Comments.</p>
<p>Comments will NOT be a forum for a business owner to disparage a reviewer. As you&#8217;ve probably seen with Private Messages, most business owners are actually appreciative of honest and constructive opinions, and realize that being rude to customers is &#8212; both on and off Yelp &#8212; bad for business. But for those few ill-mannered folks out there, we have come up with some fairly strict Comment Guidelines &#8212; and our customer service team will remove violating posts.</p>
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		<title>Facebook all a&#8217;twitter *OR* I didn&#8217;t really want ads on my Facebook stream</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brands on Facebook are nothing more than dissonance now.  Whereas before they were meaningless, and the pages were little more than non-functional, limiting, and fairly non-interactive static places&#8230;. &#8230;.now they are annoying, interruptive, and totally dysfunctional.  The new layout for Facebook has turned personal conversations into nothing more than reality TV with advertisements at random [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brands on Facebook are nothing more than dissonance now.  Whereas before they were meaningless, and the pages were little more than non-functional, limiting, and fairly non-interactive static places&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.now they are annoying, interruptive, and totally dysfunctional.  The new layout for Facebook has turned personal conversations into nothing more than reality TV with advertisements at random intervals. Brands and Pages used to be benign, and it was obvious there weren&#8217;t *doing* much of anything.  But now people look at these pages as malicious marketing that is getting in the way of their social network.  The furor I have seen is remarkable, but I hadn&#8217;t experienced it until <span id="more-594"></span> today.</p>
<p>I have three Facebook accounts&#8230; two for work, one for personal.  Because I sorta &#8220;work&#8221; I don&#8217;t get &#8220;personal&#8221; too much&#8230; but I was on there this morning jibber jabbering, catching up, being a voyuer&#8230; and all of a sudden one of my *FAVOURITE BRANDS EVER* pops up with a blurb about an art showing.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t say what it is; but it is sassy, salacious, lurid, and compelling.  So a little blurb pops up into my stream.  Remember&#8230;. I love this brand and what they do.. sort of punk chic stuff.  Maybe I do get personal, and will let you know I don&#8217;t mind salaciousness.  But, we are talking about something that should be compelling to my core.. a brand I have followed for years, enjoyed, interacted with, and whole heartedly endorsed.</p>
<p>I found it annoying&#8230; but brushed it off like a harmless spider on the table.. ignoring it but knowing it may come back.  Then another popped up&#8230; and another.  So what did I do with my favourite brand&#8217;s page?  I immediately unfanned it.  Immediately.  I don&#8217;t want that information in my personal, closed network of friends.  If I want information on the brand, I will search it out&#8230; go to the site&#8230; peruse the conversation.  But I don&#8217;t want it in my feed.  It was just total dissonance, and totally irrelevant.</p>
<p>Facebook&#8230;. you just made a terrible mistake.</p>
<p>I know I know&#8230; all these bloggers like to shoot from the hip and say, &#8220;critical fault&#8221;, &#8220;nail in the coffin&#8221; nonsense&#8230;. but just like most emotive reporting (if you want to call it that), it really is just a storm of hot air brewing in an empty tea kettle.  Okay I know it doesn&#8217;t totally make sense, but you get the idea.</p>
<p>Video didn&#8217;t kill the radio star, and the earlier, initial report of radio being crushed by TV was premature.  They found a symbiotic relationship, and their niche.  FB is an a/v laden TV, while Twitter is more like visual radio.  The analogy is flawed, but they are two things similar that are fundamentally very different&#8230;</p>
<p>Facebook made an error thinking they were like twitter.   And albeit all of *us* (the eyes that hit this are undoubtedly thoughtful &#8211; industry eyes well versed in social media) know that twitter and FB are different&#8230;. FB didn&#8217;t realize that.  I am not sure why, but in wanting an open stream for brands to interact with users, they neglected to see the difference between a closed and open network.  All this immediately before their <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/technology/internet/01facebook.html?ref=business" target="_blank">CFO leaves</a>?  Maybe they finally realized that the ad model won&#8217;t help them reach profitability?  Maybe because the ad model is failing, as <a href="http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&amp;art_aid=97787" target="_blank">Mr. Khan from JP Morgan suggested?</a></p>
<p>They want a page&#8217;s wall to post to user profiles, effectively allowing marketing and more &#8220;business&#8221; to happen on facebook&#8230;. they want a brand&#8217;s wall posts sitting in the middle of a private stream of communication within a closed network?  I hadn&#8217;t really thought about it during the initial changes, but it just seemed odd.</p>
<p>Twitter is an open stream of networking and collaboration.  People ask strangers questions about how-to, products, and more.   FB has a closed network of friends interacting about personal things.  This difference is obvious, but let&#8217;s talk about FB&#8217;s myopia in attempting to capture all of social networking, the &#8220;there can be only one!&#8221; mentality.  This has caused FB to move into territory that is unfamiliar, and it is seemingly eroding the base of trust and interactivity that made FB so popular to begin with.</p>
<p>Why did Myspace (maybe this is premature) fail?   The answer is that there was no accountability, no verifiability, and no real trust&#8230; which is where FB swooped in and confirmed status based off real world markers.  Is this person real?  Where do they work?  Where did they go to school? When?  What&#8217;s their birthdate?   Facebook found a way to solve that accountability problem, which gained them quite a bit of trust with users. This trust has been challenged multiple times with things like Beacon, etc.  The public outcry is because FB was famous for having built a trustworthy social network and then started eroding that trust by attempting to inject business and marketing.  Apparently, people didn&#8217;t want that on FB.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s funny is that the Beacon outcry was a huge disaster, but I am thinking it was a gain for FB because they were able to immediately rectify a big problem noting canceled accounts and the media buzz.  In light of this new issue, I think the erosion of the users trust will be just as severe, if not more so&#8230; but in a long term, sustained migration away to new networks (that are inevitably on the horizon).</p>
<p>The new problem might take far longer to discover&#8230; instead of a large group of people complaining, closing accounts, causing a stir immediately&#8230;. you are going to have one or two people at a time slowly get frustrated with &#8220;advertisements&#8221; and walk away, or unfan pages making any business commerce obsolete.  I still would love to know what that commerce is supposed to be anyway, but I guess that is a different post.</p>
<p>Now, I am using one of my largest, most popular brands to run an experiment for our fans:</p>
<p>&#8220;Cheers to all our fans! I would love to know your honest opinion. Facebook changed without asking all of you what *YOU* want. Do you find it an imposition or annoying to see pages interacting with your closed network of friends? I won&#8217;t post on the wall if it is dissonance. Please let me know!&#8221;</p>
<p>I will update you as I find out more information, but the test will be successful.  Either I find out what they think, or they don&#8217;t say a word and I further note that no *real* or *meaningful* interaction happens on Facebook in regards to business or brands.</p>
<p>It *might* be fine for posting events, but I really didn&#8217;t think anything more than long term brand building.</p>
<p>Now I am thinking it is not only *not* that&#8230; I think their new layout might actually kill any ability to market or further a brand.  Enough wall postings and people will be unfanning pages immediately.  &#8220;Why did I fan Tabasco hot sauce anyway?&#8221;, &#8220;He&#8217;s a great musician but I don&#8217;t need to know everything he is thinking!&#8221;, or &#8220;I love that hotel, but who cares about events I can never go to?&#8221;, ad naseoum.</p>
<p>Whatever the case, these are my ramblings.  I am one of the most patient, accepting, and brand aware people out there&#8230; and I was annoyed to the extent that I immediately acted, an unfanned a page.  If you have a guy like me doing that, no telling what people less tolerant of marketing will do, and how quickly they will react.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is anything Facebook can fix&#8230; I just think it is something we will have to ride out and watch.  Any comments on this would be appreciated!  I am not going to shoot from the hip and suggest this is doom for Facebook, but I will suggest that this will rapidly become a problem.  Pages were totally benign before; now they are, frankly, annoying.  I know I am not the only one that thinks so&#8230; what about you?</p>
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		<title>Part II of Panic Now&#8230; **Why** it is important to engage the entire hotel team?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My blog posts run aggressively long at times.  So&#8230; I gave the instructions and &#8220;how-to&#8221; in the last post, but all you skeptics might want a &#8220;WHY&#8221; section to refer to&#8230;. and we shall call this the &#8220;meat&#8221; of the discussion.  As I have made it late to lunch due to this post, it will [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My blog posts run aggressively long at times.  So&#8230; I gave the instructions and &#8220;how-to&#8221; in the last post, but all you skeptics might want a &#8220;WHY&#8221; section to refer to&#8230;. and we shall call this the &#8220;meat&#8221; of the discussion.  As I have made it late to lunch due to this post, it will not only entice me to end it, but will provide the bulk of the point of this discussion.</p>
<p><strong>The reason this is important for business:</strong></p>
<p>The more places we are active online, and the more places we exist online, helps us significantly. The more places we are talked about or our media is represented, the more relevant our brand and hotel is online, and the higher we will be ranked in search engines.</p>
<p>Search engines are changing and will be looking for content (media, graphics, organic conversation) and normal “keyword indexing” will be at the back of the bus. So as these changes start happening, we need to increase our online footprint as much as possible to grab as much “land” online before our competitors do. It is like the Oklahoma Sooners…those first to arrive ended up with the most land. Land in this case is content… personal photos on personal accounts (FB, flickr, shutterfly, etc) that casually mention work, or personal twitter accounts that engage people in conversation about your brand, or professional accounts for work. If guests, meeting planners, restaurant clients all post photos on their personal Flickr accounts, or youtube videos of their stays, or review (good or bad) on sites…. it benefits us greatly.  The more content we have online, the more relevant we become. I know it seems like a lot of content, often empty or meaningless, but the more content the wider our footprint will be.</p>
<p>So get to it! =) Don’t hesitate to shout or scream or bemusedly confusedly ask questions. I am happy to talk about it, and today something clicked in on how important it is for EVERYONE to be talking about the brand or hotel, not just the social media guy. One smart person is good to get the ball rolling, but it takes the help of a whole network to get it up that hill.</p>
<p>Go.. learn&#8230; experiment.. have fun.  The online world has forever impacted our business, and it promises to get even weirder.  When these search engines start engaging content and media more than before&#8230;. successfull SEO will be a minour part of the overall picture.  So go create an account or two!</p>
<p>Some relevant articles to this discussion?</p>
<p>Brands in searching saving the internet from being the &#8220;cesspool&#8221; it is:<br />
<a href="http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/10/08/this-cesspool-we-call-the-internet" target="_parent">http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/10/08/this-cesspool-we-call-the-internet</a></p>
<p>This is a link to my blog, but it has some great &#8220;future of SEO&#8221; articles:<br />
<a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/01/23/keywords-will-step-to-the-back-of-the-search-engine-line-or-how-consumers-will-find-hotels-in-the-future/" target="_parent">http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/01/23/keywords-will-step-to-the-back-of-the-search-engine-line-or-how-consumers-will-find-hotels-in-the-future/</a></p>
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		<title>Panic NOW! Why everyone in your hotel should be all over social media.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously&#8230;. panic!  Panic now! Okay calm down and chill out.  It really doesn&#8217;t help.  Actually my mantra is quite lazily swiped from Douglas Adams&#8217; Hitchhiker&#8217;s Guide to the Galaxy:  &#8220;DON&#8217;T PANIC&#8221;.  I can&#8217;t tell you how often that phrase helped during bomb threats, broken water mains, or total service meltdowns in opening periods&#8230;.. *But* I [...]]]></description>
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<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Seriously&#8230;. panic!  Panic now!</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Okay calm down and chill out.  It really doesn&#8217;t help.  Actually my mantra is quite lazily swiped from Douglas Adams&#8217; Hitchhiker&#8217;s Guide to the Galaxy:  &#8220;DON&#8217;T PANIC&#8221;.  I can&#8217;t tell you how often that phrase helped during bomb threats, broken water mains, or total service meltdowns in opening periods&#8230;..</span></p>
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<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">*But* I have your attention.  It&#8217;s devious to be sure, but you&#8217;re here and you might like this.</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">As you are calming down, I will help raise your eyebrow a bit, and possibly the bar.  This isn&#8217;t the limbo&#8230; so we will hopefully bring it up so that everyone can pass through! No, it is not the kind of bar you wished it to be.  You will need to find that later in the day.</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">We hotel social media people are all over it!  The internet that is.  We are in a lot of places online.  Frankly we are everywhere and it wears us out.  Following yellow page sites like citysearch and yellobot, following customer generated reviews on multiple hotel outlet pages with sites like TripAdvisor, Zagat, or Yelp.  We have multiple Twitter accounts, facebook pages, blogs, myspace, and more.  We have RSS feeds creating feedback loops of brand info! </span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Simply&#8230;. we are doing our job for the company, as rapidly as that is being defined. </span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">But more and more I notice something.  Most corporate offices are totally clueless.  They are years away from this.  Many are catching on, starting to get it, almost there.  Even the corporate offices with visionary ownership &#8211; far ahead of the game &#8211; fall a bit short in that they understand that social media is important, vital, and very much the &#8220;here and now&#8221; of grassroots word of mouth, but aren&#8217;t completely utilizing the tools yet.  At times it feel as if there is a self satisfaction in having that &#8220;one online guy&#8221; managing things, so they can tell their other industry pals, &#8220;We&#8217;re on it.  We are relevant, fresh, and in the know!&#8221;</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Sipping of Arnold Palmer&#8217;s then reverbrates in the lounge air with a smug sense of management being hip (Actually, that is usually me with the Arnold Palmer). </span><span style="font-size: small;">I am fairly lucky this isn&#8217;t my case and it is hyperbole to be sure</span><span style="font-size: small;">, but you catch my drift.  The point is that it&#8217;s so new a &#8220;tool&#8221; (for lack of a better term) there is a strong likelihood there will be communication problems at the beginning, the learning curve will be great, and making people aware of it will be very difficult. </span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">If you believe in the brand you work for, it is your cross to bear.<br />
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<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">The difficulty is bridging that gap, and helping people grasp it&#8217;s importance.  What is happening with social media, search indexing, and brand positioning is going to alter *everything* in the next couple years for the internet.  Quick article <a href="http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/10/08/this-cesspool-we-call-the-internet">*here*</a> However it so new</span><span style="font-size: small;"> I am not sure people are fully grasping this &#8220;thing&#8221;, beyond the hip and organized ones that are currently shuffling their social media guy into a room and praying that that person does a good job (so they no longer have to worry about the &#8220;annoying reviewers&#8221;)&#8230;. </span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">It isn&#8217;t the &#8220;be all and end all&#8221;, it isn&#8217;t a religion&#8230; but it is vitally important, much bigger than one person, and hopefully this ramble will help you will see why.</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Ownership, management, and most employees are lost on it, understandably so.  Social Media is an overwhelming place of daunting content and endless snide reviews&#8230;.  but we &#8220;SMO&#8221; were put here to build a base for the brand&#8217;s social media presence, and that is much more than just hiring someone to do the job and ignoring them.  It is allowing the SMO to interact with employees and help reinforce what social media is and does.  This is a position that will not only be a property level position at some point, but it will be a respected manager training and helping other staff to get on board and help the hotel.  Ehhh&#8230; possibly (Feynman said fence sitting is an art)<br />
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<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Most hotels with social media campaigns do not alert guests to it, often forgetting to mention it if it comes up. Often it is because employees don&#8217;t know about it, or sometimes because it just aggravates them.  You have all heard of it, probably been inundated by it and confused by it, which is often times why people just ignore it. But it is vital we talk about the lack of connection between the campaign and employees on property level, and why there needs to be more interaction than &#8220;yeah we have a guy doing it&#8221;.</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">How do you start this interaction?  My advice is to find any and every employee property level that &#8220;gets&#8221; social media, is into it, and might have fun with it.  In fact, many of your SMO&#8217;s already see some employees online while performing their job tasks&#8230; you know those employees online a bit more often than they might need to be?  That is where you start&#8230;. it&#8217;s that simple!</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">People are concerned about their employees talking about them online, but that concern should be obsolete!  You shouldn&#8217;t worry about it&#8230; THEY ALREADY ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU!  You couldn&#8217;t stop them if you wanted to, so it is wise to reinforce that your brand is online, they are representing it&#8230; and anything they can do to help will be appreciated!</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Then start talking to those who might be interested in increasing sales leads, contacts, and bookings.. no doubt there is a savvy sales agent already hammering away on facebook all day.  Why not extend that into a professional sales page that they link a twitter account to?  Then you have networking for the sales agent, and brand presence for the hotel!  The more of these sort of interactions, the better!</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Your tech guy might already be there, but if I know hotel A/V and IT people&#8230; they are way too busy to actually *do* social media.  But remind them they could use it to keep informed about current trends and products they can geek out to, as well as ask questions to quickly resolve conundrums.  Maintenance could use it in the same way as well.  When all your people have accounts up and running, think how convenient it would be for a guest to twitter engineering about a burnt out lightbulb, or a Wireless point that is down?</span></p>
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<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">SO &#8211; the social media guy can handle a property level account for twitter, a facebook page, a blog, and more&#8230; constantly cross posting and getting the word out, but it takes more than that to increase your online footprint.  You want sales people talking sales, and tech people talking tech&#8230; you want all the employees connecting with other hotels and hospitality employees, as well as to other guests and clients. You want people commenting on blogs about the hotel where applicable, and talking about it on their own.  You want people posting their pics and videos.  You want your brand to be bolstered by thousands&#8230; not just one social media guru locked in a windowless room in a cage.</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">BUT WHY?  WHY ON EARTH IS THIS ACTUALLY A USEFUL BUSINESS TOOL?</span></p>
<p style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Well &#8230; this post was so bloody long we will save the meat for the next post.  It will make sense.  I promise!</span></p>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have already experienced with a few hotels a blase attitude towards peer reviews because it is &#8220;simply a place for people to bitch&#8221;, or &#8220;whiner central&#8221;.  Many hotels have a wait and see attitude about social media, and many are as cantankerous and defensive as&#8230;. well&#8230; the industry has typically been when regarding technological [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have already experienced with a few hotels a blase attitude towards peer reviews because it is &#8220;simply a place for people to bitch&#8221;, or &#8220;whiner central&#8221;.  Many hotels have a wait and see attitude about social media, and many are as cantankerous and defensive as&#8230;. well&#8230; the industry has typically been when regarding technological or social advancement.  We were one of the last industry&#8217;s to go wireless, and we were also one of the last to enforce a &#8220;no beard&#8221; policy.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">An aside about the hotel industry if I may:</span></p>
<p>Industry wide, we are not adapters&#8230; nor are we pioneers.  One of the most respected men I know in the industry told me an old industry joke:  &#8220;Pioneers were shot in the back.&#8221;</p>
<p>ROI is hard to justify when it comes to pioneering new technology that is buggy and will probably fail.  Anyone ever had to rip out faulty construction three days before opening will attest trying the &#8220;newer&#8221; tech isn&#8217;t always the &#8220;safest&#8221; tech.  And don&#8217;t get talking to me about radiant flooring used in commercial hotel projects.  Ugh.</p>
<p>So, it has been hotels standard operating procedure to do the following:</p>
<p>Wait for some other &#8220;idiot&#8221; (said endearingly) to pioneer the tech.  Let *that* person waste all their money trying it, figuring it out, and then fixing it when it breaks.</p>
<p>After 6 months, you take what they did, *AND WHAT THEY LEARNED*, and do it right, better, and cheaper.</p>
<p>This is a fail safe business plan to be sure, but it does backfire.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">So back to the current state of things, IE Hotels Backfiring.  If you are a hotel and don&#8217;t get social media peruse the below.</span></p>
<p>Hotels seem to have a somewhat guarded and defensive approach to social media.  Even the wise properties that are innovative, internet aware, and with strong marketing teams&#8230; they are at times LOST.  Scared that their old marketing trends are dying, and now their rolodex and contacts and college degree are quickly becoming a vestige, or worse&#8230; irrelevant (that is marketing degrees are now sort of moot if you were in school over 5 years ago.  Yeah it hurts, I am getting old as well). I am not so quick to think it isn&#8217;t of merit&#8230; but it will take some fixing to get old marketers communicating with new marketers.  It is like the dorky book scientist that needs to explain his innovation to the public but cannot find a simple way to describe what a &#8220;Differential Microwave Radiometer&#8221;* does.</p>
<p>So&#8230; we have hotels looking at social media as a compartmentalized outlet for people to bitch about something with other bitchers (pardon the colloquialistic expression&#8230; just imagine you are at one of those managers meetings during a lunch hour with those &#8220;types&#8221;&#8230; you know?).</p>
<p>But it isn&#8217;t that.  Well it is.  Actually.  Just look at my previous post.  Sure I attack the consumer, but I must take a swing at the stodgy old hotelier once inawhile too.</p>
<p>Social media is a vital tool for a couple reasons.  One is that you can retroactively &#8220;hear&#8221; consumers and respond, both directly to them and about the situation.  How you respond is up to you&#8230;. like employees fishing comment cards out of the box and ripping up the ones with their name (saw it happen, never did it), or getting these comments to the department heads: GM for serious issues, Rooms for cleanliness issues, Maintenance for broken hooks, etc.  It can actually help you run your business, sure!</p>
<p>But what is more important is where it is taking your brand, and what being aware of social media can do for your brand in the coming 100 years.  Reidentifying, repurposing, and shifting your old brand (that was pushed through old media efforts) into this new world of anti-marketing and all advertising becoming spam.</p>
<p>The upshot is that you can reorganize your business into something with purpose, meaning, ethos, and intent.  Instead of pushing a terrible product (no offense, anyways I mean the other guy reading this) on people with glam marketing tactics like direct mail pieces and flashy billboards (that was tongue in cheek), you reorganize your structure to understand and yield to consumer demand and interest.</p>
<p>Finally, that one human to one human connection exists between social reviewer and business.  When you start seeing how the new market works, and how the new consumer handles businesses (in this case a hotel) you will be able to go from pushing your product, to listening, learning and then packaging your product into something not so much &#8220;sellable&#8221;, as something highly &#8220;DESIRABLE&#8221;.</p>
<p>Force fed consumers are a thing of the past, and now consumers create individuality with their demand for quality products to endorse.  People are empty vessels to fill with your brand if they so identify or appreciate the intent behind it.</p>
<p>Realize this.  It isn&#8217;t about selling a product anymore.  It is about creating a product people want.</p>
<p>When your brand / hotel / business stops pushing itself on a million people that don&#8217;t care about you, and really listening to the 1000&#8242;s that do&#8230; and modeling yourself to the market&#8230;. is when you will start being successful in this post-advert world.</p>
<p>(* a microwave instrument that would map variations / anisotropies in the <a title="Cosmic microwave background radiation" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation">CMB)</a></p>
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