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		<title>TripAdvisor Ethics Watch &#8211; Pay to list phone and website?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The rest that is cut off (hey I am a hotel guy, not a HTML guy) says &#8220;($42/month), would you?&#8221;  You can take the survey yourself right here: TripAdvisor Survey for Owners. I will let the pic speak for itself.  I know it&#8217;s just a survey, but I assume some people might have a concern [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-824" title="taethics" src="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/taethics.jpg" alt="taethics" /></p>
<p>The rest that is cut off (hey I am a hotel guy, not a HTML guy) says &#8220;<span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;">($42/month), would you?&#8221;  You can take the survey yourself right here: <a href="http://vovici.com/wsb.dll/s/5127g3f4a4?wsb24=74291&amp;wsb25=y" target="_blank">TripAdvisor Survey for Owners.</a></span></p>
<p>I will let the pic speak for itself.  I know it&#8217;s just a survey, but I  assume some<span id="more-814"></span> people might have a concern in regards to this?  How about:  mom and pops, small innkeepers, non branded or flagged properties that don&#8217;t have a mega-marketing budget to leverage every site, and I could go on.  I know it&#8217;s only $500, but it adds up&#8230;. and if they were to really go through with this I assume it would be irrevocably damaging to their long term credibility.  Even Yelp has tiptoed around ethics issues with business owners, review manipulation, etc &#8211; but haven&#8217;t done something this obvious.  Of course, the question is:  In their quest to monetize, will TripAdvisor risk their credibility to do so?</p>
<p>Any thoughts?  Is it that big a deal?  Would it create an unfair gap between &#8220;haves&#8221; and &#8220;have nots&#8221;, or is TripAdvisor supplying link and phone info moot, because guests will call the hotel directly anyway?</p>
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		<title>Well done Tripadvisor &#8211; the first step is admitting you have a problem.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, I get carried away with a response to a blog post.  I am sure this counts as real business right? Newsweek's Budget Travel has a great article about TripAdvisor trying to deal with the long coming revelation that many of their users and reviews are not legitimate.  This is, frankly, a huge blow to the site, and should pose a happy problem in it's early adolescence as they deal with all the changes that come along with growing into adulthood.  Frankly, I am thrilled that this may provoke User Generated Content sites to seek the same verification model other sites have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, I got carried away with a response to a blog post, and decided to expound on it.  I am sure this counts as real business right?</p>
<p>Newsweek&#8217;s Budget Travel has a <a href="http://current.newsweek.com/budgettravel/2009/06/tripadvisor_tries_to_respond_t.html" target="_blank">great article about TripAdvisor</a> trying to deal with the long coming revelation that many of their users and reviews are not legitimate.  This is, frankly, a huge blow to the site, and should pose a happy problem in it&#8217;s early adolescence as they deal with all the changes that come along with growing into adulthood.  Frankly, I am thrilled that this may provoke User Generated Content sites to seek the same verification model other sites have.</p>
<p>At any rate, this is vital to all of us, and it recalls some of my previous post (which I seem to mention once or twice):</p>
<p>You know I am skeptical of social media, whether speaking of <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/04/27/facebook-for-hotels-what-are-we-trying-to-achieve-so-far-seems-to-be-nothing/" target="_blank">Facebook&#8217;s lack of meaningful interaction</a>, or <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/04/23/flickr-and-the-nebulous-tos/" target="_blank">Flickr&#8217;s nebulous TOS</a>.  In general, I have had major concerns since my <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/04/13/why-you-will-never-trust-yelp-ever-again/" target="_blank">yelp research project</a>, and resulting thoughts on <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/04/14/why-you-might-trust-yelp-again-social-media-ethics-and-the-future-of-yelp/" target="_blank">ethics in social media</a>. I had even mentioned in January that <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/01/09/yelp-lawsuit-settled/" target="_blank">Yelp should consider verification processes</a>.</p>
<p>One scotch fueled evening my jocular side protruded a wee bit and I became a prankster. To be honest it wasn&#8217;t to learn the lesson I did, rather just good fun.  I speak of the Ryan Air Twitter spoof of mine, which got <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/03/10/the-links-to-the-ryan-air-episode/" target="_blank">considerable attention in traditional media</a> (namely because Ryan Air claimed @ryanaironline was their account).  It  helped me realize that there is a grave concern for brands and trademarks, and both <span id="more-739"></span>the businesses &amp; social media sites should have a vested interest in a <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/03/06/lessons-from-ryan-air-online-as-cross-posted-from-my-personal-blog/" target="_blank">verification process of brands</a>.  There is a serious risk of hijacking and damaging people and businesses, with inauthentic people (or dim ones not realizing pranks and social media can go viral) damaging a brands reputation.</p>
<p>Social Media is young.  FB beat out myspace because it is better at replicating and verifying the real world (although it can&#8217;t actually do anything more meaningful than provide a wonderful marketing data gathering opportunity for FB, coupled with a nice phonebook)&#8230; but it was verifying that the person was the *reality* based person, which quickly attracted people to it.  If you aren&#8217;t relevant to any networks, or aren&#8217;t genuine&#8230; you quickly become invisible.</p>
<p>As user generated review sites follow a similar path, these things will stabilize.  It is very young, and still in the myspace period of fake profiles and people&#8230; but as <a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/2009/06/12/twitter-verifying-celeb-tweets-115875-21435555/" target="_blank">twitter adds verification services</a> &amp; FB starts considering verification due to <a href="http://www.stoel.com/alerts/trademark_June2009.html" target="_blank">trademark infringement issues with it&#8217;s new URL program</a>: , it will be obvious for User Generated Content Sites to authenticate, across the board.  I am not sure if open ID and attaching accounts to mobile phones is the simplest way, but if something doesn&#8217;t happen quick the sites will implode through sacrificing the only thing that makes their business model feasible.  I am sure Tripadvisor has seen the start of accounts closing due to the breach in ethics.</p>
<p>We will wait until services like <a href="http://www.yelp.com" target="_blank">Yelp</a> and <a href="http://www.facebook.com" target="_blank">TripAdvisor</a> grow into the awareness of what they have created.  People sardonically jest &#8220;<a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Serious_Business" target="_blank">the internet is serious business</a>&#8221; when it comes to this sort of stuff.  But it is.  It isn&#8217;t just 2.0.  It&#8217;s a massively powerful tool that completely reorients the consumer model, putting control into the hands of the people, and out of marketing and PR companies, possibly for the first time in capitalism&#8217;s history.  The message can no longer be managed, and PR doesn&#8217;t work the same way anymore.  You are only as strong as the advocates and endorsers that believe in your brand.  Ethics is paramount.</p>
<p>The only way for these sites to continue their validity is by echoing the sentiment of their own taglines: Tripadvisor&#8217;s &#8220;get the truth&#8230; and go&#8221;, or Yelp&#8217;s &#8220;real reviews, real people&#8221;.  If they commit to intelligently policing their own site by being completely transparent, authentic, accountable, and earnest, they should be able to emerge better than before..  They might need to take a huge dip in registered users, as well as delete a lot of existing content.  This open and honest method of dealing with this situation will undoubtedly sacrifice trust in the short term, but it is the only way for a social media site to maintain the trust that they leverage for business.</p>
<p>It will hurt&#8230; but this is an opportunity for them to re-organize into a leaner and more valid site than ever before.  Most people saw this coming.  Let&#8217;s hope it isn&#8217;t something they try to spin away or ignore&#8230; instead of doing what is right and being honest, while doing everything they can to curb the problem.</p>
<p>I admit concern about the idea of having to hire non-revenue generating staff to handle the massive clean up project, and the fact the money simply might not be there to handle it.  However, it is obvious they are quickly responding, like <a href="http://www.elliott.org/blog/does-tripadvisor-hotel-manipulation-scandal-render-the-site-completely-useless/" target="_blank">April Robb from Tripadvisor commenting</a> to Christopher Elliott. I do like the <a href="http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g60982-d596760-Reviews-Hotel_Renew-Honolulu_Oahu_Hawaii.html" target="_blank">warnings they put on some hotels</a>, but it could be markedly arbitrary?</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll have to see.</p>
<p>Not sure what age social media is at right now, but it is certainly hitting a painful growth spurt.</p>
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		<title>Hotel, Travel, and Hospitality professionals&#8230; How do you feel about Yelp?  Let me know!</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With all this bad press, I am starting to become really interested in the hospitality industry&#8217;s response to all this? Yelp definitely effects us&#8230; but how?  Are any of you innkeepers, B&#38;B owners, operators, managers, managing groups using yelp, or a paying advertiser on the site??  I would love to hear all your stories&#8230; good [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all this bad press, I am starting to become really interested in the hospitality industry&#8217;s response to all this?</p>
<p>Yelp definitely effects us&#8230; but how?  Are any of you innkeepers, B&amp;B owners, operators, managers, managing groups using yelp, or a paying advertiser on the site??  I would love to hear all your stories&#8230; good and bad.</p>
<p>I will start with mine:</p>
<p>You know I am highly skeptical of social media, and I am markedly perturbed at the style of leadership and business management from the people in charge.  But what you don&#8217;t know is this:</p>
<p>I am a 1100+ reviewer on yelp.  I had been using it since it&#8217;s earlier startup days, and it just sort of became a food blog for me.  There was a momentary ethical crisis when I started working for businesses that exist on yelp, so I pulled back all hotel related reviews or any reviews that may have had a conflict of interest.  I comport myself of the highest ethics on the site.  I am also one of their biggest critics, and have not endeared myself to the site as a content generator.  But I love it, and think it is a fun way for me to relive experiences, and help me remember where I have been.</p>
<p>As for business side of things I can&#8217;t say much.  I think it is an invaluable tool to get real time feedback and ideas for improvements on service and the like.  It really has helped the properties I am involved with grow, and I think the bad reviews are better than the good ones.  It is just a new level of comment cards.  Nothing as quantified and rigorous as Market Metrix, but a very good pulse as to the state of the business, and what direction it is heading.</p>
<p>That being said, I think it is odd that I have had pleasant experiences both as a user, as well as a business person (my experiences with the sales agents are PHENOMENAL.  Period.  I like the people and they are solid.  Never one problem)&#8230;.</p>
<p>But I still don&#8217;t trust the concept.  And that is the rub&#8230;. why wouldn&#8217;t we?  Is that we know too many of the bad reviews?  Is it the way they handle themselves in the public eye?  Do I have some bitter attitude towards them and bone to pick?  I honestly don&#8217;t know&#8230; as for the latter I highly doubt it.</p>
<p>I think it is that I love the site so much for personal reasons, and it is useful on so many levels for professional reasons, that I get panicked by the management practices (or lack there of).  I just want to see it succeed, and I don&#8217;t see any reason to believe it will.</p>
<p>I would love Yelp to look forward and stop focusing on damage control and PR.  They made it so you can&#8217;t manage your brand or control the message the same way you used to&#8230;. And it is important they become a transparent, openly ethical social media company.  Like the ethicist said, &#8220;Whether someone is lying or it is just confusion, yelp has a problem&#8221;.</p>
<p>So I want to hear your stories&#8230; problems, great stories, etc?  Let us have it!</p>
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