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		<title>Hidden Streams on Facebook Pages &amp; Profiles, Over-Sharing, and Attention Curation as Equity.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all know that Facebook is buggy, and for some businesses and neophytes, figuring out all of the settings and controls must be like wading through syrup.

There is one simple fact, and it's that the way you want consumers to use Facebook is *not* the way that Facebook users are using it. Yet.

The way some people post on their Facebook Hotel Page, it's tantamount to pounding on your guest's door all hours of the day with little bits of information.  It's overwhelming, and it is off-putting.

The network that is supposed to connect everyone in the world is doing more to create a completely "tromp l'oeil" experience in regards to social media - it looks more like a network than it really is.

It's time to rethink your eagerness versus effectiveness on Facebook Pages.  Of course, as I write this... all I can do is wonder about Facebook's effectiveness, overall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, Twitter and user generated review sites seem to  have a lot more ROI, interaction, and traction than Facebook &#8212; which is only unfortunate because it seems they get less attention than Facebook.  Unlucky FB users, on the other hand, are stuck in the loop of hating Facebook, while being completely incapable of escaping it. People are already asking if <a href="Facebook actually has a monopoly" target="_blank">Facebook actually has a monopoly</a>, and whether it should be managed as a utility.  I don&#8217;t like that conversation, because it&#8217;s like we are giving up on the obvious fact &#8211; there could be something better.  Until then, we need to stay on top of this poorly conceived, and inherently damaged, network.</p>
<p>There is a big discussion going on about the equity of  attention  in social media, and that curating attention is more  important than  posting information.  Curation is a fine line, and studies have shown  that <a href="curation works better through less posting of more pertinent info" target="_blank">curation  works better through less posting of more pertinent  info</a>, than more  posting of one-off links, stories, etc.  Social  Media is becoming quite good at capturing attention (think contests, PR stunts, promos, or other gimmicks), but maintenance of these relationships is becoming more important, difficult, and confounding.   If you look  at <a href="http://www.groupon.com/san-francisco/" target="_blank">Groupon</a>, <a href="http://homerun.com/san-francisco" target="_blank">Homerun</a>, and other coupon services (like San  Francisco&#8217;s SF  Gate deals that just started) &#8211; it isn&#8217;t hard to build a  network so much as keeping that network interacting, which is the real challenge.  These coupon services are ideal examples: People will sign up for a specific offer (relevant to their interests), then react like the rest of the email offers (which they opted-in to) are part of their &#8220;daily spam regimen&#8221; (delete, delete, delete).</p>
<p>It is important to step out of your world as the business using social media to reach guests, and think how users of social media would like to be reached.</p>
<p>So&#8230; Facebook Pages, over-posting, and hiding streams.</p>
<p>We need to address this issue about how people use Facebook, versus how businesses wish people would use Facebook.  There is a fast growing problem that fledgling social media enthusiasts &amp; page administrators are not aware of; although, they are encountering it daily in their happy-go-lucky power posting of relevant information for their hotels.</p>
<p><em><strong>There are less eyes on your Facebook page than you realize, and you are losing more all the time.</strong></em></p>
<p>It is a universal gripe&#8230;. even though no one truly  enjoys  Facebook, we need to be there as a business simply because  that&#8217;s where  potential guests are located, and that&#8217;s where we can perk  up our ears  to listen for mentions about our brand, and grow when we  encounter  advice or commentary.  Firm ROI is secondary to our  experimental  presences on Facebook profiles and pages.  Some <em>are, </em>in fact<em>, </em>successful in driving  incremental  revenue to outlets, some achieve positive brand building,  some act as help-all concierges, some operate as ombudsmen, and still  others have zero idea what they are doing or why they are there.  But businesses <strong>know</strong> they need to be available to their potential clients, even without a mitigated plan.  I think this is where a slight disconnect occurs for the business (and I have a whole post about this coming up):  People think it is about the business using social media (YAY! We&#8217;re HERE!), but it&#8217;s more about the availability of the business for the consumer.  More precisely, it&#8217;s about being available, but not being intrusive.  The way some people post on their Facebook Hotel Page, it&#8217;s tantamount to pounding on your guest&#8217;s door all hours of the day with little bits of information.  It&#8217;s overwhelming, and it is off-putting.</p>
<p>There is one simple fact, and it&#8217;s that the way  you want  consumers to use Facebook is *not* the way that Facebook users  are using  it. Yet.</p>
<p>We all know that Facebook is buggy, and for some businesses and neophytes, figuring out all of the settings and controls must be like wading through syrup.  For business&#8217; savvy enough to realize you need to reach your audience where that audience chooses to congregate (chat rooms, groups, Twitter, etc), it isn&#8217;t made any easier by Facebook, and their lack of interactivity or ability to create real commerce with people.  Connections happen, and they are wonderful to see develop, but people are still reticent to have any real interaction  with  &#8220;business-as-commerce&#8221; versus &#8220;business-as-brand&#8221;, which is obvious in  Facebook&#8217;s  positioning with the ease of &#8220;liking&#8221;.   The throwaway simplicity of &#8220;liking&#8221; a brand at this point is meant to identify user profiles for targeted ad marketing, and not to promote any real deep interaction with the brand page itself.  Meaning, people are quite ready to &#8220;wear&#8221; a Facebook page brand as they would Gucci sunglasses or Prada bag, but they are not ready to transact with the brands themselves.  A  lot of feedback from Facebook users is that business page posts still have the &#8220;feel&#8221; of being  &#8220;spammy&#8221;.  With that in mind, we are already fighting an uphill battle in seeking out ways to connect with Facebook users that are fans of our specific brands.  This becomes precarious, however, because many businesses over-post pics and info in an eager and noble attempt to share their services/products.  This can actually drive people away.</p>
<p>Of course, the logical way a social network would remedy this is to have the brand advocate user &#8220;unfriend&#8221; or &#8220;defan&#8221; a page.  That way, a business page could use data exhaust and user actions to help learn in real time about what they do well, or what they might be doing wrong.  This works quite well on Twitter, and their are even Apps built on the API that allow users to find out precisely what they did that lost, or gained, followers.</p>
<p>But leave it to Facebook, a company obviously more concerned with user-experience less than the monetary value of those previous &#8220;likes&#8221;, to create the ability to &#8220;hide streams&#8221;.  It isn&#8217;t Facebook&#8217;s concern that a page isn&#8217;t curating attention, so much that the user enjoys a brand.  To Facebook, liking the brand is more important than telling the brand they are interacting poorly.  Once a Facebook user has chosen to &#8220;LIKE&#8221; a page, they will do almost anything to maintain that superficial connection for ad-model demographic targeting reasons.</p>
<p>Leave it to Facebook&#8217;s closed, corrupted environment to allow disingenuous networks; instead of Facebook creating meaningful networks of truly interactive partners, they have allowed users to hide streams, so you can be part of a network without really interacting with it. For those that are completely unaware,  the option exists within  Facebook to &#8220;hide&#8221; a stream, be it a page, an  app, or person.  This is  wonderful if you are sick of Foursquare check  ins or Mafia Wars updates  from friends, but it violates a vital aspect  of social media&#8217;s earnest  and transparent attempt at communication, and  interactivity.  When a  &#8220;stream&#8221; becomes overactive (constant updates,  possibly via RSS or blog  feed), or hyperactive (admin posting multiple  links rapid fire,  attempting to batch process relevant content for the  hotel)&#8230;. users  are hiding your stream.</p>
<p>This is a problem &#8211; not just for businesses, but for Facebook, as well.  Facebook is creating vast, HUGE false networks, or at least connections without interaction.  I don&#8217;t mean to be glib &#8211; but doesn&#8217;t it strike you as worrisome that a vast community of people isn&#8217;t really that much of a community at all?  I know it&#8217;s a vague concept, but how much trust will you stake in a network based off of false pretenses? The network that is supposed to connect everyone in the world is doing more to create a completely &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trompe-l%27%C5%93il" target="_blank">tromp l&#8217;oeil</a>&#8221; experience in regards to social media &#8211; it looks more like a network than it really is.  In the simplest terms, this is going to come back to bite Facebook big time, and they will have to make some decisions about hidden streams in the future.</p>
<p>The entire aspect of being able to be friends with people, or  like a page, with the ability to &#8220;hide&#8221; their stream is disastrous on  the effect of real networking, communication, and building potential  commerce from within Facebook.  When your stream is  hidden, you have no idea that it has happened.  When a Facebook user  hides your posts, they still  &#8220;like&#8221; your brand, and are associated with  it&#8230;.. *WITHOUT EVER SEEING YOUR CONTENT*.  You disappear from their  eyes, and you now have &#8220;phantom fans&#8221; who don&#8217;t interact with you.  Of  course, Facebook made &#8220;liking&#8221; something inordinately easy to do, a  couple months ago.  But in accomplishing their social graph concept, it  further dismantles meaningful communication and interaction in lieu of passive,  meaningless brand identity meant for ad-marketing, with zero regard to relevant idea  exchange.</p>
<p>So, when users &#8220;hide&#8221; the stream, they still look like fans, but they don&#8217;t receive your posts anymore. Facebook, or the fan, doesn&#8217;t alert you, nor are you informed in any way.  The business, as a result,  has no idea they have been   &#8220;hidden&#8221;, while the Page&#8217;s fan count will remain constant.  It&#8217;s been   happening for a lot of business pages, and it&#8217;s becoming a problem for   people that don&#8217;t understand the interaction people expect from a   business, versus the interaction a business wants (wishes) to have with their   clients.  If a business can&#8217;t learn from their mistakes, how will this experience improve for the people involved? If a user can haphazardly &#8220;like&#8221; at the same time as &#8220;hiding&#8221; those people or pages, is that really a relevant connection?</p>
<p>Your hotel may have 1000 fans, but what if 100 have hidden  you? There has been so little conversation en masse about this &#8220;hiding&#8221;  phenomenon, that I can&#8217;t accurately gauge what percentage of &#8220;like&#8221;-fans  end up hiding pages, but in every day conversation about Facebook, in an  extensive group of acquaintances, it seems to be a very common, and  very popular, activity.  That&#8217;s scary.  If it&#8217;s a commonly known function in Facebook, you could have 30-70% of your audience not listening anymore.  That&#8217;s really scary.</p>
<p>Frankly I find it  markedly cynical, and disingenuous.  If I had any clout, I would ask  Facebook to stop it right now, and not because I don&#8217;t like being able to hide things in my own stream.  I  love not seeing any of those apps populating wall, but it does  make my decisions to &#8220;follow&#8221; and &#8220;like&#8221; pages less meaningful, and less legitimate.  If I <strong><em>couldn&#8217;t </em></strong>hide a feed, would I really  fan a page, if I knew I were meant to legitimately interact and  communicate with that brand?  Would the brands be intelligent enough to  know how to court users, or captivate them enough so as not to drive  them away?</p>
<p>I have had some success with how I manage interaction on  Facebook&#8230; I post a link occasionally, but save most of the meat for a  blog post which includes events, commentary, relevant google alert  posts, comments, info &#8211; and then let that blog post feed into Facebook.  It is a  whole bunch of posts / links in one single post.  That way people can  access and interact with it if they want, at their leisure.  Instead of the links coming across their wall as one post  at a time, they all sit in one place for the guest&#8217;s convenience.  One post with 20 links seems to be received much more  favorably than 20 links posted once at a time.  Remember, this isn&#8217;t about you or your business force marketing or pushing your brand onto Facebook users; this is a place for you to be available to potential guests. Don&#8217;t get carried away.</p>
<p>If you overpost,  you risk becoming irrelevant without having any knowledge or metric from  Facebook to see how you are doing, or what you can do to curate the  attention necessary to strike a balance.  Attention, in this new  &#8220;economy&#8221;, is equity.  And curating the attention is now your sole job.   That&#8217;s interesting &#8211; because in our rush to curate attention, a lot of  us forgot to ask how, precisely, to do that.  In an eager rush to share  exciting news about your hotel, you may be losing eyes without having  any say in the matter.  The only real option is to patiently fence sit, and be a  skeptic.</p>
<p>My thought is to be patient, and ride out this precarious situation.  For the time being, Facebook users are hesitant to interact with businesses; when  it becomes more acceptable, *then* get more interactive with your fans regarding products, selling, etc.   For now, we want to curate, and maintain, this  attention.  The best way to do it is by being calculating, and to some extent&#8230; quiet.  At least make sure your formula = less posts + better content.</p>
<p>I, unfortunately, don&#8217;t have any answers.  It&#8217;s simply something that has been on my mind, and it&#8217;s not a conversation people are having on the implementation level of social media.  There are the tech bloggers yammering about equity, curation, &amp; attention, but businesses have a way to go before they understand this aspect of Facebook.</p>
<p>This may change&#8230;. FB may cement itself   and people will eventually get used to it as a vast &amp; interactive portal, or it could fall apart under poor management   and lack of acumen in development of the business pages side of the site.  Most Facebook users are still stuck in the concept of a private dialogue   between close friends, where Twitter has evolved into a more interactive real world community.  It is sorely obvious that Pages&#8230;. are&#8230;. yet&#8230;. another&#8230;. slapped together&#8230;. on top of old architecture&#8230;. idea&#8230;. which Facebook threw together because they were worried about losing brands to Twitter&#8217;s opt-in propensity for real commerce.  Pages weren&#8217;t thought out in any real detail, and as these problems begin to mount, FB will need to make some serious choices about how to fix their site.</p>
<p>Until then&#8230;.</p>
<p>This specific issue is why I organize most of  our relevant links into a blog that lists all the information, pics,  stories, etc.  Other than that, I reply to people&#8217;s comments and responses on the page. I post natively whenever possible, for reasons which I will address in a subsequent blog post.</p>
<p>In the end, this is less about Facebook, and more about you and your business page.  We are a captive audience to Facebook&#8217;s shortcomings, and it is a necessary evil for the time being.  In thinking about how you use Facebook Pages for business, you may want to consider the above; especially if you are one of the Pages that continues with a rapid-fire, staccato-like posting of brand mentions, deals, articles, press releases, etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to rethink your eagerness versus effectiveness on Facebook Pages.  Of course, as I write this&#8230; all I can do is wonder about Facebook&#8217;s effectiveness, overall.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cheers and good day! Your friendly neighborhood Hotelier trying to stay on top of hotel news, and travel info, and hospitality &#38; management philosophy&#8230; oh yeah&#8230; and technology or social media.  Okay okay&#8230; I am apparently trying to keep you updated on everything, and here is a little more from my corner of the internet&#8230;. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers and good day! Your friendly neighborhood Hotelier trying to stay on top of hotel news, and travel info, and hospitality &amp; management philosophy&#8230; oh yeah&#8230; and technology or social media.  Okay okay&#8230; I am apparently trying to keep you updated on everything, and here is a little more from my corner of the internet&#8230;. endless relevant information filtered into a relatively decadent lunch sized chunk.  Enjoy!  Don&#8217;t hesitate <span id="more-904"></span>to let me know your thoughts or comment&#8230; be well and big RevPar to you all!</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.htmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&amp;nm=&amp;type=MultiPublishing&amp;mod=PublishingTitles&amp;mid=3E19674330734FF1BBDA3D67B50C82F1&amp;tier=4&amp;id=93B9799C240843B7A94AF8BAF682860D" target="_blank">Stop  using 2009 rates in recovering economy!</a> That&#8217;s about all I can say  about this, because I would never want to encourage price setting and  have the Feds after me.  Still&#8230; if you all do it independently, well  that&#8217;s just good business. Collusion, however, is a nasty word.</li>
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<li>Cornell hotel school has their <a href="http://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-15177.html" target="_blank">2009 wrap up</a>, <a href="http://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-15175.html" target="_blank">2010 report</a>, &amp; another couple studies&#8230; like <a href="http://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-15176.html" target="_blank">fairness &amp; perceived differences in rate differential</a>, or <a href="http://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-15213.html" target="_blank">cases in innovative practices</a>.  If you don&#8217;t look at anything, I suggest you take a gander at this&#8230;. chock full of info, especially the 2010 report with articles and excercises for marketing, spa, F&amp;B, Operations and more!</li>
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<li>Neil Salerno with &#8220;<a href="http://www.4hoteliers.com/4hots_fshw.php?mwi=4883" target="_blank">Does Anyone Remember When A Suit Came With Two Pair Of Pants?</a>&#8220;<a href="http://www.4hoteliers.com/4hots_fshw.php?mwi=4883" target="_blank"> </a>Beyond having quite a fine tailor, it&#8217;s a smart idea that Neil takes into the world of hotels skillfully, with a powerful and accurate piece on hotels, social media, websites, and more.</li>
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<li><a href="http://www.xotels.com/en/marketing/tourism-is-social" target="_blank">TOURISM IS  SOCIAL</a> &#8211; a 90 minute love note to the power and impact of social  media in Hospitality, the need to have less manipulative marketing, and  the need to create a powerful community advocating your brand.</li>
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<li>Successful email marketing is all about reaching an appropriate demographic, that you can target more specifically, while not &#8220;spamming&#8221; people who don&#8217;t have the same interests, *but* <em>are</em> fans of your hotel.  By setting up preferences in email marketing, Hotel Marketing Strategies has advised our world yet again!  Think of a branded guest that loves wine and food, but not the spa&#8230; while you have other fans of the spa that are into health and not so much fine dining.  Sure they cross paths often enough, but <a href="http://www.hotelmarketingstrategies.com/preferences-center/" target="_blank">here is a way to target them individually and be even more successful</a>.  Well done <a href="http://www.hotelmarketingstrategies.com/" target="_blank">Hotel Marketing Strategies</a>!</li>
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<li>Speaking of Josiah, well we have to say well done on this <a href="http://www.hotelmarketingstrategies.com/google-buzz-guide/" target="_blank">GOOGLE BUZZ primer</a> for hotels and marketing people.   Fantastic stuff.. learned a lot!</li>
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<li>Some good news!  Hotels are <a href="http://www.hotelsmag.com/article/451411-Hotels_Again_Gaining_Attention_From_Traditional_Lenders.php?nid=3457&amp;source=title&amp;rid=14083566" target="_blank">gaining  attention from lenders</a>, <a href="http://www.hotelsmag.com/article/451346-Travelers_To_Ramp_Up_Leisure_Trips_Spending.php?nid=3457&amp;source=title&amp;rid=14083566" target="_blank">travelers  are ramping up leisure trips</a>, and some interesting insight into your luxury branded guests&#8230;..</li>
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<li>Attempting to reach affluents, luxury brand guests, online?  Where here  are some facts that may raise your eyebrows <a href="http://www.emarketer.com/Article.aspx?R=1007552" target="_blank">about their  behaviors</a>.</li>
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<li>Some not  so good news for you F&amp;B people &#8211; or just more about the complexity of  being green,  community rooted, and sustainability focused&#8230;. like  <a href="   http://www.rimag.com/article/447970-The_Food_Safety_Implications_of_Sourcing_Locally.php" target="_blank">the  implications of sourcing locally</a>.</li>
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<li><a href="http://ismboston.blogspot.com/2010/02/service-is-new-sales.html" target="_blank">Service  is the new Sales</a> &#8211; a piece in line with listening, learning, being engaged  and involved &#8211; and tempering traditional marketing methods that sell  glitz and gooey glamour.  That stuff is out this year, and true,  refined, classical luxury is in.  I know it&#8217;s just one of millions of  hyperbolic or effusive blog titles in this world of too many posts, but I  might say that service has always been on the front end of sales&#8230;.  since the local Main St. Hardware store and before.  Service has always  been paramount in helping you sell.. this is nothing new.  The article  has some great points, though.</li>
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<li>TOURISM IS ALL OF US blog <a href="http://tourismisallofus.blogspot.com/2010/02/online-marketing-for-tourism-social.html" target="_blank">chats about &#8220;filling seats&#8221; (a la movie theatre analogy) with social media in hotels</a>.  An interesting approach to understanding what your internet presence really is&#8230;.</li>
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<li><a href="http://www.marketingtimes.com/2010/02/social-graph-optimisation-explained/" target="_blank">Optimizing your hotel&#8217;s &#8220;Social Graph&#8221; </a>- a great and simple visual way to understand social media&#8217;s impact on your guests and potential guests.</li>
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<li><a href="http://www.hotelnewsnow.com/articles.aspx?ArticleId=2830&amp;PageType=News&amp;ArticleType=35" target="_blank">Hotels experimenting with social communities</a>: Foursquare, Yelp, Blogs, Tripadvisor and more.  Discussion about some of the ideas and methods hotels are using for interaction, listening, and community.</li>
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<li><a href=" http://www.hotelworldnetwork.com/social-networking/its-okay-be-anti-social-media" target="_blank">It&#8217;s Okay To Be Anti-Social?</a> &#8211; I don&#8217;t always agree with what I am posting here so much as attempting to engage thought and discussion.  I think this methodical approach to understanding the impact of social media is fading as more and more people find meaning and potential conversion from interacting with the online world.  His sanguine points are well taken, however, and he does help get a bird&#8217;s eye view on this madness that is too much media.  What do you understand? What do you have time for?  This article probably helps in going over all of it.</li>
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<li>It&#8217;s about time&#8230;. <a href="http://www.hospitality-industry.com/index.php/news/comments/17460/" target="_blank">an  affordable iphone/droid app for European hotels</a>&#8230; Referred to as  groundbreaking, but what isn&#8217;t at this point.  I remember groundbreaking  used to mean we just broke ground, and have 18 months (or lesS) from  pouring concrete to opening the doors.  It is much more ethereal than  the brick and mortar world&#8230; but important, potentially useful news  nonetheless.  I haven&#8217;t contacted them to find out more, as I am  Stateside.  But this is something we all have our eyes on, and if you  don&#8217;t&#8230; you should.  Mobile is the future, and it&#8217;s fairly important (I  assume you have been following my blog, and will spare you the endless  linking).</li>
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<li>Are you sick of too much info?  Too much data?  Does it feel numbing as you sit by and try to beat the internet every day?  Well&#8230; MS has innovative approaches in how to <a href="http://www.hotelemarketer.com/hotel-digital-marketing/hotel-new-media/pivot-perhaps-the-early-future-of-web-and-media-browsers/" target="_blank">sift through massive amounts of raw data and content with &#8220;Pivot&#8221;</a>.</li>
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<li>If that isn&#8217;t enough for you, I would highly suggest the new <a href="http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15557443" target="_blank">Economist special article about Data</a>&#8230; none of this is about business for you, or your brand.  It&#8217;s about collecting data, and you are just part of something so big it will melt your head.  Like issues of <a href="http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15350984" target="_blank">Privacy in the 2.0 age</a>&#8230; and how it basically doesn&#8217;t exist anymore.  Try controlling your brand&#8217;s message&#8230; sure, right after you figure out how to stop being stalked by the internet.</li>
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<li><a href=" http://www.hotelsmag.com/article/451151-Hotel_Rides_Google_s_Wave.php" target="_blank">Google Wave starts to come of age</a> &#8211; and real meaningful commerce is happening!  If you can get past the fact that I was quoted in this article, maybe you can envision Google Wave this way:  No more misplaced log book in PBX, and no more yellow sticky notes on the desk.  That&#8217;s sort of how I want to play it&#8230;. NO MORE STICKY NOTES! =)</li>
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<li>It isn&#8217;t about you&#8230; at all.  It&#8217;s about them.  I am starting to realize this about everything&#8230; social media, website development, new marketing&#8230; it&#8217;s &#8220;what can you do for me, what have you done for me lately&#8221;.  Well, <a href="http://www.hotelsphere.co.uk/blog/" target="_blank">hotel blogosphere</a> goes on a bit in regards to this, and reminds you that it might not be about what you know, <a href="http://www.hotelsphere.co.uk/blog/archives/129-Who-knows-what-you-know.html" target="_blank">but what, fundamentally, it means to potential clients</a>.   What&#8217;s more, he hits the nail on the head <a href="http://www.hotelsphere.co.uk/blog/archives/131-Be-ruthlessly-relevant-and-decisively-different.html" target="_blank">in regards to hotel websites, relevancy, and standing out</a>.</li>
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<li>This is perhaps one of the most affordable, functional, and cool devices I have seen in a long time &#8211; zero sticker shock, stunning savings, obvious ROI, and green to boot.  Amazing what <a href="http://unitedwasteprofessionals.com/United_Waste_Professionals/About.html" target="_blank">these guys</a> are doing -<a href="http://hotelexecutive.com/newswire/31996/united-waste-professionals-inc-supports-green-lodging-association-efforts" target="_blank"> the future of waste management on hotel property</a>:</li>
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<li>Martha Stewart Wedding magazine and Hello Lucky take on one of <a href="http://www.wilburhotsprings.com/">my favorite escapes</a> in the  world&#8230; <a href="http://www.marthastewartweddings.com/photogallery/eunice-and-daniel" target="_blank">WILBUR  HOT SPRINGS!</a> (I am sharing this for no other reason than it&#8217;s a  beautiful place!  The pics from the print edition are out of this world!</li>
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<li>(Also&#8230; if you hadn&#8217;t been aware of what&#8217;s going on here, <a href="http://www.hotelmarketing.com/index.php/content/article/social_media_in_travel_becomes_a_legitimate_business_force/" target="_blank">social  media in travel becomes legitimate business force</a>)</li>
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		<title>The Story of the In-Room Phone, &amp; the future of on property telephony</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[These conversations about archaic forms of communication will fall to the wayside during the tremendous fervour for hotels' future comm abilities, where we will have to adopt a more pro-active and less wary view of technology, so the hospitality industry can be carried forward by technology and the advent of 2.0 - at the intersection of commerce and the community that is selling your brand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A colleague and I were bemoaning the difficulty with modern customer service, and the fact that so many tech support numbers are no longer offered as toll free unless it is someone like HP or Dell.  Per usual, I fanatically inject my own experiences into the situation, and muse about the long and wild road of in-room phones at hotels&#8230; specifically the way technological innovation and advancement has, constantly, caught our industry unaware to the point that we shoot ourselves in the foot.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t right not to have access to free phone tech for a product, but it is the way modern business is happening.  Telephony has altered greatly (understatement) in the last two decades&#8230;and property level we are still calling them &#8220;PBX&#8221;. What&#8217;s more is that the IT guys at hotels are well versed enough to know just to ignore it.  I have seen one or two try to explain.. &#8220;Well the PBX doesn&#8217;t really exist anymore&#8221;, the GM will point to the operator, and then the IT guy capitulates with a shrug.</p>
<p>We hotels used to gouge consumers for phone calls because they had no choice, and it was a BRILLIANT revenue stream.  Then came calling cards, and hotels started losing lots of revenue&#8230; and per our typical furrowed brow, it took us a couple years to figure out why.  Even dial-up modems for AOL and prodigy services were <span id="more-721"></span>a complexity to us&#8230; which is why we started charging people to call out to 800 numbers.  Of course this garnered more distrust from guests about our call accounting, but it also got the enraged guest at the desk who had left AOL connected for 3 days and owed the hotel $5545 for a 2910 minute phone call to an 800 number.  I had at least 3 of those that I can remember&#8230; and those people were all completely, and totally, hysterical.  Not the funny kind, either.</p>
<p>By the time we admitted to ourselves that the revenue stream was lost and started charging enough simply to cover costs&#8230; hotel guests had already decided to never trust in-room phones ever again.  Calling cards were used almost exclusively, and guests now have cell phones that simply makes in room telephones, for all extensive purposes&#8230; obsolete.  This has been patently obvious in the last 5 years&#8230;. in-room phones are nothing more than an intercom now, which is why telephony solution providers are trying to make them into a marketing gimmick with big LCD colour touch screens, etc. What&#8217;s more is that anyone silly enough to install payphones on property has them regularly taken back out within 3-5 months because it simply isn&#8217;t profitable for the companies to maintain them.</p>
<p>By the way &#8211; that might be my only professional advice in this post, along side the historical ramble&#8230;. stay away from that &#8220;slick&#8221; nonsense.   LCD screen phones are nothing more than an annoyingly bright &amp; pricey business card for in house outlets where guests are already likely to contribute incremental revenue.  These phones are a gimmick, and they are part of the technological in-between period of telephony companies trying to generate need and create a new niche for them while everything swirls up in the air.  These &#8220;hubs&#8221; will become something incredibly powerful, and useful&#8230; but the new tech coupled with cost and lack of dynamic functionality (beyond being flashy) makes them a poor investment for the time being.  For now, think of in-room guest phones as IP &#8220;intercoms&#8221; for your next project, and you will save a lot of money.  Heck&#8230; you may start having guests <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/travel/hotels/2009-05-21-online-room-service-menus_N.htm" target="_blank">order room service online</a> before calling on the room phone&#8230;or they may plan travel without even considering a voice call &#8211; like <a href="http://www.simultravel.com/" target="_blank">GPS enabled hotel booking apps</a>, or basically just making an app to make <a href="http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2008/10/21/11379/862/hotels/iPhone_Geeks_Must_Check_Into_the_Malibu_Beach_Inn" target="_blank">every department available</a> by PDA as seen at <a href="http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2008/10/21/21267/259/hotels/iPhone_Hotel_Review_at_Malibu_Beach_Inn" target="_blank">the Malibu Beach Inn.</a> Even Choice Hotels <a href="http://www.choicehotels.com/ires/en-US/html/Mobile" target="_blank">has an incredible mobile app</a> that not only sells their brand, but it enables an entire community of brand endorsers.</p>
<p>So in this panic of the phone industry changing, everyone has been hit&#8230; robots handle call volumes of humans, 800 numbers are incredibly expensive, and customer service has tanked in general because of it.  In 20 years we went from fully staffed calling centers with live operators to a computer voice that handles the volume of 20 employees&#8217; worth of labour.  With cell phones all but destroying traditional landlines, they have also made the 800 number obsolete.  When it is used, it is strictly for high end marketing, because no one else can afford it.  It usually only goes to the departments that generate revenue (SALES) and the guys doing all the real work have the fun of not having one, then fielding complaints from already unhappy consumers that have just been further inconvenienced.</p>
<p>As we continue forward, I think the traditional phone will die, but rise a bit like a Pheonix &#8211; the same thing existing in a different form.  It will not only take on the traditional rolls, but also a hotel intercom, then soon to be an internet hub&#8230; and slowly integrating with other guest room controls and being not unlike the new <a href="http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/vzhub/overview.jsp" target="_blank">Verizon Hub</a>, which demonstrates that you can have a phone that is highly adaptable and functional.  Think of it as the Looney Tune cartoon &#8220;House of the Future&#8221; where panels &amp; buttons on the wall call outside, surf the web, program the house settings, washes, cools, power management, etc.  The only thing is that we are a long way off from that kind of functionality&#8230;. and for now spend as little as possible on both ends.  As for 800 numbers, if the department&#8217;s revenue can&#8217;t cover it without impacting business, it simply isn&#8217;t a wise choice.</p>
<p>In the future, however, someone in your hotel will also have grown up playing around with making apps, and you will have your first person on staff managing the 2.0 of your hotel.  I like to think this would be a salaried position from a truly innovative management company, but I am aware this starts with property level people engaged with the brand that have extra time and know how.  As for the salaried position, we shall see.  I know we are all looking down the road at <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/03/04/the-new-job-description-concierge-20-what-makes-an-excellent-brand-managerhotel-smo/" target="_blank">Concierge 2.o</a>, and few of us might have thought that could be possible. Now with IP, Google Voice, and even browser enabled chat sessions&#8230; there is an exciting future of unending real time communication with brand advocates (returning guests) and potential clients.</p>
<p>These conversations about archaic forms of communication will fall to the wayside during the tremendous fervour for hotels&#8217; future comm abilities, where we will have to adopt a more pro-active and less wary view of technology, so the hospitality industry can be carried forward by technology and the advent of 2.0 &#8211; at the intersection of commerce and the community that is selling your brand.</p>
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		<title>10 *MORE* Time Saving Tools/Sites for Hoteliers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was ranting and raving about not being able to keep structure or organization with social media, so I took some time to find some useful programs to help me out.   Well&#8230;. this is pretty cut and dry:    A quick, succinct post for you to be made aware of (and yet another onslaught from) [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/05/06/the-temporal-black-hole/" target="_parent">ranting and raving</a> about not being able to keep structure or organization with social media, so I took some time to find some useful programs to help me out.   Well&#8230;. this is pretty cut and dry:    A quick, succinct post for you to be made aware of (and yet another onslaught from) useful social media tools.  Social Media is simply a tool in itself&#8230; so they are tools for tools.  With some of my friends&#8217; more sophomoric moments of wit&#8230; they might suggest including myself would make it a third tool.  =)</p>
<p>A list of 10 tools that you might know of, or might not.  As many of these lists go you will likely act as I do&#8230;. Stoic, dismissive, and blase&#8230;  I will find myself say, &#8220;I know all these already,&#8221; &#8230;&#8230;. and then <span id="more-697"></span>my eyes humble me by finding an exciting new gem.</p>
<p>1) I am very pleased with <a href="https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?passive=true&amp;service=grandcentral&amp;ltmpl=bluebar&amp;continue=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fvoice%2Faccount%2Fsignin%2F%3Fprev%3D%252F&amp;gsessionid=AOSgPRKfePw" target="_blank">Google Voice</a>.  The sheer amount of functionality is not only superb&#8230; but it is useful without being daunting.  I do not know if this is public yet, but if you forgot about your own Grand Central account&#8230; go ahead and log in, because that is what Google Voice was built on.  Basically, among other things, the real timer saver is voicemail messages that can be both emailed or texted to your phone, and they provide transcripts that are voice to text.  Need to hear the 14th our of 22 voicemails IMMEDIATELY?  Never wait again.  Hell.. just read it.</p>
<p>2)  <a href="http://www.flock.com">Flock</a> browser, which I extolled <a href="http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/05/06/thank-you-flock-browser/" target="_blank">here</a>.  It integrates Digg, Flickr, FB, Youtube, Twitter, Myspace and more into a convenient sidebar&#8230; if you like a pic or article,  auto-upload from your sidebar without leaving the webpage.  It has an RSS reader that killed Google reader for me&#8230; it has a media bar that is insanely simple to use for download/upload, and I can post blog posts on the fly.  It has saved so much time I cannot even tell you&#8230;. it also remembers all accounts, I.E. 6 gmail accounts, 5 flickr, 6 youtube, 3 blog accounts, 2 FB, etc.  Incredible time saving tools there.</p>
<p>3)  As for the managing of multi-twitter accounts, I like <a href="http://www.twhirl.org/" target="_blank">twhirl</a>.  I know there are other options, and I am all ears, but for now this provides a simple way to post relevant articles or have conversation thoughout the day from a desktop dashboard environment of multiple accounts.  When they are all grouped, I lose my mind, so I like seperate streams.</p>
<p>4) As for managing twitter accounts, try out <a href="http://www.tweepular.com" target="_parent">TWEEPULAR</a>. Easy bulk follow, bulk unfollow, and more.  Very cool.</p>
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<p>5) This is old hat, but for managing scheduled tweets, and more to the point *brand keywords*, try <a href="http://www.tweetlater.com" target="_parent">Tweetlater</a>.  I sell it short here&#8230; it does a lot of stuff, and I still haven&#8217;t grasped all it&#8217;s offerings.</p>
<p>6) I also use <a href="http://www.twitterfeed.com" target="_parent">Twitterfeed</a> to pipe in about 500 RSS to about 10 twitter accounts.  I doubt you will need it like that, but you surely can find relevant corporate hotel or property level blog feeds into the account while still using it for conversation.  Very efficient, and very useful.</p>
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<p>7) URL SHORTERNER &#8211; With Twitter moving away from tiny.url, I must say I was immediately mesmerized, captivated and moved by <a href="http://www.bit.ly">BIT.LY</a>.  Not only will you be able to post to your twitter account from there, it manages multiple twitter accounts *AND* post to FB, among others.  Bit.Ly wins&#8230;. with functionality beyond the above!</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Following online conversation: <a href="http://www.blogpulse.com" target="_parent">Blogpulse</a>, <a href="http://www.backtype.com">Backtype</a>, &amp; <a href="http://www.socialmention.com" target="_parent">Social Mention</a>.  I am fairly certain Social Mention should cover the other two, but it doesn&#8217;t hurt to set up alerts and field them as they trickle in.  Or flood.  Depends on your brand.</p>
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<p>9) I don&#8217;t really like <a href="http://www.digg.com">Digg</a>, but I use it.  That being said, <a href="http://www.delicious.com">Delicious.com</a> with it&#8217;s simpler and new URL, works for me.. really well.  Does anyone use <a href="http://www.reddit.com" target="_parent">Reddit</a>?  Digg is too confusing for me, and apparently Reddit has a lovely little community going on.  But Delicious is by far the easiest to search, log, and come back to, at least.. for me.</p>
<p>10) You may also want to consider cross posting / status updating sites&#8230; which can walk a fine line between heaven and disaster.  You may want to look at <a href="http://www.ping.fm">Ping.FM</a> as the industry leader for the time being.  But with many on the way, even ones on the verge (hello <a href="http://www.atomkeep.com" target="_parent">AtomKeep</a>).. and if you are interested in something that allows you to crosspost, manage 60 accounts and more&#8230;</p>
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<div class="ii gt">Try <a href="http://www.hellotxt.com">HelloTxt</a>.  It&#8217;s a newer (at least.. to me) site I am *REALLY* excited about, and albeit remaining calm and skeptical, it seems to be able to manage all 12 twitter accounts, linked in, FB etc&#8230; but what is big about this one is that it seems I can manage FACEBOOK PAGES&#8230;</div>
<div class="ii gt">That means that a hotel can post independently to a twitter account, a personal twitter account , a personal FB account, and a Branded FB page, as well as a (single) branded Flickr account, a branded wordpress blog, and more.  I am very excited to see how I utilize HelloText with Flock.  But being able to do this from ONE SINGLE LOCATION?  That is unusually exciting to me.  I need to get out more.</div>
<div class="ii gt">Life might be getting easier for us, little by little.  Of course these will be obsolete by the time twitterfeed picks up this parsed RSS 30 minutes from clicking *publish*</div>
<div class="ii gt">[meekly pushing *publish* button]</div>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josiah Mackenzie, hotel marketing pro, blew my mind once again with his exhaustive and insightful advice in using Flickr for Hotels.  His social media plan and help is just&#8230;. wow.  Thanks sir.  Some of his thoughts will be in the social media bible, whenever someone has enough time to sit down and write one (even [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josiah Mackenzie, hotel marketing pro, blew my mind once again with his exhaustive and insightful advice in using <a href="http://www.hotelmarketingstrategies.com/hotel-guide-for-using-flickr/" target="_parent">Flickr for Hotels</a>.  His social media plan and help is just&#8230;. wow.   Thanks sir.   Some of his thoughts will be in the social media bible, whenever someone has enough time to sit down and write one (even though it seems to change second to second).  Whatever the case, his work always gets me thinking.  This time it brought me back to the vague, somewhat uneasy marriage of business and flickr.</p>
<p>Something people don&#8217;t seem to want to talk about, or at least isn&#8217;t brought up too often in regards to Flickr, is their famously nebulous <a href="http://www.flickr.com/guidelines.gne" target="_parent">Flickr TOS</a> &amp; <a href="http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/utos-173.html" target="_parent">Yahoo Terms of Service</a>.  I have spoken to <span id="more-651"></span>some industry professionals about it, and am confident these are quiet concerns people keep to themselves and the kitchen table at 3am.  A few <a href="http://www.smallbusinesssem.com/sbs-mailbag-marketing-on-flickr-and-flickrs-tos/1108/" target="_parent">have approached it</a>, as well as there being spirited conversations, involving multiple staff, on <a href="http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/16649/" target="_parent">Flickr itself</a>.  Just like Yelp&#8217;s notoriously vague behind the scene manipulations, people have <a href="http://thomashawk.com/2009/01/how-would-you-feel-if-your-flickr-account-were-permanently-deleted.html" target="_parent">cried foul</a> to the way Flickr chooses to manage/delete accounts, with <a href="http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/29690/" target="_parent">seemingly random application of it&#8217;s TOS</a>.  What&#8217;s more, it seems <a href="http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/80328/" target="_parent">people aren&#8217;t confident in how to use it</a>.  Even the staff have varying viewpoints and opinions on the matter.  At least one majour hotel flag and brand that uses Flickr relentlessly (and incredibly effectively) says he goes to bed at night thinking he will wake up and the accounts will be deleted. Other groups, like craft makers, are completely lost as to what &#8220;commercial purposes&#8221; means, and are getting <a href="http://magikquilter.com/2008/06/05/buy-handmade-the-new-mass-produced/" target="_parent">frustrated with errant deletion of their groups</a>.</p>
<p>The reason this concerns me is because I see the most avid users of flickr talk about it being <a href="http://www.bigoakinc.com/blog/flickr-is-turning-into-spam-central/" target="_parent">&#8220;spam central&#8221;</a>, and people being incredibly aware that brands are *really* starting to penetrate that site.  The above linked article is from a year ago, but the conversation is incredibly relevant.  If you are still unsure, try searching <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=flickr+tos" target="_parent">&#8220;flickr&#8221; and &#8220;TOS&#8221; on Twitter Search</a>; that is pretty overwhelming that there is a big question looming.  As Flickr hears more from the community about brand spam, when will they take those famously vague words, &#8220;Flickr is for personal use only. If we find you selling products, services, or yourself through your photostream, we will terminate your account.&#8221; into account?  When might they start looking at a brand and suggesting it is creating less of a &#8220;story&#8221;,  and creating more of what their users <em>don&#8217;t</em> want.</p>
<p>People do not want their photo sharing site to turn into a business marketplace.  It is obvious by the discussions happening about <a href="http://www.clickz.com/3632015" target="_parent">&#8220;commerce and flickr&#8221;</a>, and most apparent with commentary on flickr group discussions about Etsy, and <a href="http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/16649/#reply93810" target="_parent">people using Flickr to catalogue their offerings</a>.  That is an incredible no no, apparently.  But that certainly draws our line a bit closer and more precarious, as we don&#8217;t *really* know what hotel&#8217;s photo sharing is about.  Can anyone define that?  We do know that &#8220;Flickereeno&#8217;s&#8221; (Flickr Staff) are incredibly helpful and accessible, compared with some other social sites.  They responded inside some of the above linked threads, as well as <a href="http://whipup.net/2006/08/13/dont-use-flickr-for-commercial-purposes/" target="_parent">directly to people&#8217;s earnest questions</a>.</p>
<p>These are some important problems to resolve in regards to exactly what space a hotel operates in, on flickr.  Their TOS expressively forbids businesses for using it, in any way, for commercial purposes.  This includes etsy people using flickr to host a catalogue, or private, personal businesses owned by individuals who are using flickr in any way for their biz.  This is complex, because they are obviously lenient, and cannot possibly have omnipresent control, but they have the right to clamp down any time they wish.</p>
<p>In a recent meeting, we met with Flickr&#8217;s GM on an unrelated note but asked him about brands and photos, *SPECIFICALLY* in regards to hotels.  His paraphrased words are as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;We typically are fine with a collection of images that tells a story&#8221;, but they are down on direct advertising.</p>
<p>I doubt they will forbid relevant or useful brands from existing, but there is a chance in the future that they will crackdown.  Until the TOS are cleaned up to expressively permit a hotel from existing on Flickr, their right will be to delete your account without warning or justification. As of now, their TOS suggest that they *will* do this at some point in the future, in that a hotel is not a person using it for personal reasons.</p>
<p>I guess the point is that it is a relevant and important aspect of a hotel social media optimizer&#8217;s job.  Use it effectively and it can be an incredible tool to help your hotel.  If you aren&#8217;t sure how, you can find interesting articles <a href="http://www.smallbusinesssem.com/articles/marketing-on-flickr/" target="_parent">like this</a> about marketing and Flickr, or simply use <a href="http://www.tipsfromthetlist.com/article11619.html" target="_parent">Josiah&#8217;s incredible work</a>.  You will miss out if you aren&#8217;t part of this, and it can really help your overall social media program.</p>
<p>At least for now.</p>
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