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		<title>In Response to &#8220;A Whisky Tale&#8221; &amp; &#8220;Random Acts of Hotel Marketing&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/08/24/in-response-to-a-whisky-tale-random-acts-of-hotel-marketing/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It isn't about convincing people that a product is exceptional.  It's being exceptional and allowing people to recognize that.  That doesn't take place with marketing or PR... that takes place from within operations and management. Run a business well.. *then* hand it to marketers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, Hotels Mag &amp; Mr. Hartesvelt have come up with an interesting piece&#8230; this time in regards to &#8220;<a href="http://www.hotelsmag.com/blog/260000426/post/1320048132.html?nid=3457&amp;rid=13610864" target="_blank">Random Acts of Marketing</a>&#8221; and hotels PR people being a bit beleaguered in these times, and acting out accordingly.  I, once again, had too long a blog response and note that the comments section isn&#8217;t always the best place for banter&#8230; or at least I have trouble posting there at times.  In preparation of that, I linked the article above&#8230;. and put my own thoughts here just in case.</p>
<p>The best marketers are skeptics or operators that turned into marketers&#8230; because marketing has been a land of long lunches, little data, &amp; arcane, questionable demonstrable results&#8230;. ALWAYS.  When times are good, the greased cogs and gears tick forward inevitably&#8230; often <span id="more-812"></span>unnoticed (for good or bad).  In a down economy they just become a little more visible because of their obvious lack of connection or understanding of operations, budgets, etc.  There are some STUNNING marketing firms out there (a little plug for <a href="http://www.burditchmc.com/whoweare.htm" target="_blank">BMC</a>.. the guys are so incredibly together it is refreshing, and astonishing)&#8230; and most of those are the ones big enough to admit 1) we are undergoing some major changes, and 2) we have little to no idea what is happening for the time being.  At least&#8230; if not hyperbolic relatively based in truth.</p>
<p>&#8220;New&#8221; marketers talk about getting back in synch, like the old system&#8230;. where, apparently, print media showed results.</p>
<p>Frankly.. I am not sure it ever did, and hopefully this new wave of social tools democratizing the guest experience will force the hand of marketing people to stop convincing their consumers that the brand is good&#8230;. and instead just focus on &#8220;gooding&#8221; the brand; making sure the hotel or entity is ethically orchestrating business in a way that will have consumers actively endorse their model and passively advocate it.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t about convincing people that a product is exceptional.  It&#8217;s being exceptional and allowing people to recognize that.  That doesn&#8217;t take place with marketing or PR&#8230; that takes place from within operations and management. Run a business well.. *then* hand it to marketers.  They might begrudgingly thank you that you just made their job easier.  More and more I see marketers admit with defeat that the message is no longer controllable&#8230;. and many don&#8217;t have a clue what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t worry marketer, most of the industry and business world is that way.  That&#8217;s what happens when consumers gain control for the first time in history.</p>
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		<title>The stress of social media on Marketing and PR firms, or &#8220;did we just create a new position&#8230; for real?&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2009/02/25/the-stress-of-social-media-on-marketing-and-pr-firms-or-did-we-just-create-a-new-position-for-real/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Hospitality Marketing]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is sudden, endless interest on how to instill the labour for a social media person on the property level of a hotel.  But if you look back in my posts, you will be reminded that hotels are not technological innovators, and are typically behind the curve.  Nothing to be ashamed of, as we aren’t [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">There is sudden, endless interest on how to instill the labour for a social media person on the property level of a hotel.  But if you look back in my posts, you will be reminded that hotels are not technological innovators, and are typically behind the curve.  Nothing to be ashamed of, as we aren’t in the technology business.  We are the hotel business.  Sometimes, however, it feels like we have been co-opted (Some of us still remember punch card days).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">Until we end up back in the “guest ledger on a lazy Susan” days, much of this “social” or “new” media is being thrust toward the marketing and PR firms of hotels, and they are panicked looking for measurable impressions, calculable effect, and readying themselves to be in control of a massive and daunting visual display of graphs, charts, and quantified data. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">But data is not readily available, and measurements are confounding at best (Just because we have become comfortable with a tool of measuring impact of dollars spent, doesn’t mean it’s flawless.  For this reason, I still suspect print measurement).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">In the end I think “ROI” conversations will fall by the wayside as properties recognize that you simply need to be part of the conversation.  It will be like a “internet concierge”, and just part of your overall labour budget. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">Back to the PR people. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">It is damning for marketing groups however, because in a world of too much information these poor people just became responsible for so much more – keywords, tags, blogs, videos, user generated content, etc.  Frankly, keeping up with my google alerts is a job within itself.  So I have a empathic concern for marketing groups that will have to hire some Gen Y kid just to watch the stream of internet consciousness…. It is confusing, and overwhelming.  Learning to not waste your time with some, while being hyper-aware of other data… this is the ultimate experience of separating the wheat and chaff, as well as looking for a needle in a haystack the entire time. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">New Media and old Marketing have about as much in common as &lt;insert witty dichotomy&gt;, but these companies are still tagged with the responsibility of following this new stream of information.  It is like when a F&amp;B manager is fired, the floor manager fills in the F&amp;B Manager spot… and then what do you have?  You have a floor manager (someone skilled at a specific job) acting as an F&amp;B manager (a totally different job)… you haven’t increased the floor managers salary (limiting incentive to fill the role), but that person becomes taxed/stressed and is doing a job outside their experience level or role.  Such is the path of social media being slopped on top of traditional marketing firms responsibilities.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">Until hoteliers, operators, marketing teams, and ownership step back, recognize what social media is, and implement someone who is meant to grow into the role and focus on the online concierge aspects of web 2.0…. owners will be anxious, marketing groups will be taxed and confused, and hotel management will be nervous.<br />
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">Social media is not Marketing &amp; PR the same way college degrees or public relations have prepared people for.  Giving the job to someone that doesn’t understand it in the hopes of being successful with a campaign, while performing on the job training, is dangerous and we need to move past it.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">At least, let’s let them focus on their skill set, while allowing already operating members of the social media conversation to fill in as “online concierge”.  Traditional marketing and PR is changing, but it will never go away.  It will be in flux for some time, and might put a new notch in the belt buckle, but it will always be necessary and vital.  It won’t be, however, the long term mitigator of social media.  This is a slapdash approach to new media, and in time it will move to a property level, corporate/property specific job. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">What’s more is that this is an exciting moment in hospitality.  This is new job forming!  How often does that happen?  We have been skilled at getting rid of the labour pool for years (just think of the last time you saw an elevator operator or shoe shine booth).  This new position will be a customer relations specialist , and will be filled by erudite, excited, savvy people that have hospitality’s core beliefs at their forefront:  Be aware of the guests needs, and service them based on those needs.  Whether they are in front of you or not is irrelevant.  It isn’t about controlling your brand, damage control, or PR.  It is about earnest concern about a guest’s reactions, needs, or thoughts.  It is about being real in your conversation with a guest, precisely what much of marketing <strong><em>is not</em></strong>.  To be fair, at least we can lighten the load on these confused firms that overreact to one bad review, or panic because they still don’t “get” twitter.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">I look at this as a great opportunity for hotels to transcend the limiting mentality that web 2.0 is all marketing and PR.  It is daunting to be sure, but it is also humbling, fulfilling, and vital to the ethos of your brand, and the core of your offerings. </span></p>
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