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		<title>Facebook &amp; TripAdvisor; an issue for Google or Yelp?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Revelation!  I love it. I don&#8217;t always have stuff hit me, but it hit me today. So I hadn&#8217;t figured out why Tripadvisor&#8217;s Restaurant Reviews had recently, so vigorously, taken off.  For those of us in hospitality who are aware of our brands online, it was hard to miss.  It is vital to stay on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revelation!  I love it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t always have stuff hit me, but it hit me today.</p>
<p>So I hadn&#8217;t figured out why Tripadvisor&#8217;s Restaurant Reviews had recently, so vigorously, taken off.  For those of us in hospitality who are aware of our brands online, it was hard to miss.  It is vital to stay on top of all conversation, reviews, and mentions, and whether through Google Alerts, or a random internet search&#8230; you noticed restaurants began to get reviews on Tripadvisor. It&#8217;s not really a surprise, and it is a completely natural direction for a travel site like TA.  But, where there wasn&#8217;t even an option to review or add <span id="more-1150"></span>restaurants until a couple months ago, the frequency of seeing reviews pop up is gaining <!--more-->momentum. MASSIVE momentum&#8230; and it seemed like it had to be larger than the Tripadvisor user base. I really noticed when some of our restaurants were ending up with as many, if not more, reviews than Yelp. I hadn&#8217;t been able to figure it out, but when I just added one of our newly opened restaurants to the Tripadvisor database, it used *FACEBOOK CONNECT* to populate the information about the restaurant, meaning the database lives both in Tripadvisor, where people can review it natively from that site, as well as inside Facebook as an application called &#8220;Tripadvisor Local Picks&#8221;.</p>
<p>Uh oh Yelp.</p>
<p>Yelpers can be attention seekers, but the platform of Facebook is the mecca of ME ME ME. If there is one thing a Facebooker is going to enjoy doing, it&#8217;s share their opinion &#8211; *ESPECIALLY* to their real live network of people who may be affected (or forewarned) by a review. It is obviously a natural part of networking, community, and connecting.  Oh.. it also vests itself in ego, and the desire to establish equity in social status. Go figure&#8230; but it never hurt, that while recommending a nice romantic restaurant to a friend, an ex fling sees your exciting life.  I am certainly not claiming this to be me, but the fact that studies have been done on <a class="vt-p" href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-09/uog-sfp092208.php" target="_blank">detecting narcissism through facebook profiles</a>, it&#8217;s certainly something that exists.  Here is another article that goes a bit deeper into <a class="vt-p" href="http://shrink4men.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/social-media-platforms-narcissists-borderlines-and-histrionics-the-lure-of-blogs-facebook-and-myspace/" target="_blank">social media and ego</a>.</p>
<p>This means that, alongside the Tripadvisor user base populating restaurant reviews, we now have unwitting Facebook users contributing content to that database. You have a 400 million person population casually being redirected to Tripadvisor to help add content.  But this content generation is happening *from within Facebook*. This app makes it so that FB users are not leaving the site.  This reinforces the travel industry understanding that we can no longer create community when competing with communities like Facebook.  If Tripadvisor is learning this, and allowing off-site content generation, what do you think of your small community?  You need to congregate where people already exist, and reach out to them where they are online, not where you wish them to be (cue $100,000 website laden with bulky flash and slow load times).</p>
<p>In the meantime, you may have noticed Facebook searches being populated with hotel listings, and other brand names in wider internet searches. If a 400 million user population gets used to searching brand names and businesses for reviews, and information&#8230; that is the beginning of some powerful commerce. What&#8217;s more, Yelp could quickly become irrelevant under the crushing weight of Facebook&#8217;s population eager to add content for Tripadvisor, whether they know what they are doing or not.  It has been suggested that Facebook users <a class="vt-p" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_wants_to_be_your_one_true_login.php" target="_blank">don&#8217;t always know what they are doing</a> (warning: hilarity ensues. Yes I know I have posted that a couple times.  It is too funny).</p>
<p>The way these two are dancing, I could see a marriage in the future. I think they want to date for a bit, but they might become a bit more popular than some of the other options out there. I am not saying Facebook could acquire Tripadvisor, but I am wondering what Google is going to do now that Yelp is off the table, or if that is something that might be revisited? Facebook and Tripadvisor paired could become a brutal force against Google&#8217;s plans, not to mention OTA&#8217;s like Expedia.  As for Yelp&#8230; they might not even see it coming.  Opentable reviews have already legitimized the review process in a way that Yelp has not been capable of.  Reviewing for friends, family, and network in a Facebook model creates more legitimacy still.</p>
<p>As always, I might be missing something. I know FB Connect works with Yelp in some ways, but I don&#8217;t think you can generate content from within a Facebook app?  There is so much to consider, I might be off.  But it&#8217;s always fun to watch this stuff develop. As always I promise to keep you posted. =)</p>
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		<title>@HHotelconsult with Hotel news, Travel info, Social Media and more!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hraba</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cheers and good day! Your friendly neighborhood Hotelier trying to stay on top of hotel news, and travel info, and hospitality &#38; management philosophy&#8230; oh yeah&#8230; and technology or social media.  Okay okay&#8230; I am apparently trying to keep you updated on everything, and here is a little more from my corner of the internet&#8230;. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers and good day! Your friendly neighborhood Hotelier trying to stay on top of hotel news, and travel info, and hospitality &amp; management philosophy&#8230; oh yeah&#8230; and technology or social media.  Okay okay&#8230; I am apparently trying to keep you updated on everything, and here is a little more from my corner of the internet&#8230;. endless relevant information filtered into a relatively decadent lunch sized chunk.  Enjoy!  Don&#8217;t hesitate <span id="more-904"></span>to let me know your thoughts or <!--more-->comment&#8230; be well and big RevPar to you all!</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.htmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&amp;nm=&amp;type=MultiPublishing&amp;mod=PublishingTitles&amp;mid=3E19674330734FF1BBDA3D67B50C82F1&amp;tier=4&amp;id=93B9799C240843B7A94AF8BAF682860D" target="_blank">Stop  using 2009 rates in recovering economy!</a> That&#8217;s about all I can say  about this, because I would never want to encourage price setting and  have the Feds after me.  Still&#8230; if you all do it independently, well  that&#8217;s just good business. Collusion, however, is a nasty word.</li>
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<li>Cornell hotel school has their <a href="http://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-15177.html" target="_blank">2009 wrap up</a>, <a href="http://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-15175.html" target="_blank">2010 report</a>, &amp; another couple studies&#8230; like <a href="http://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-15176.html" target="_blank">fairness &amp; perceived differences in rate differential</a>, or <a href="http://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/research/chr/pubs/reports/abstract-15213.html" target="_blank">cases in innovative practices</a>.  If you don&#8217;t look at anything, I suggest you take a gander at this&#8230;. chock full of info, especially the 2010 report with articles and excercises for marketing, spa, F&amp;B, Operations and more!</li>
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<li>Neil Salerno with &#8220;<a href="http://www.4hoteliers.com/4hots_fshw.php?mwi=4883" target="_blank">Does Anyone Remember When A Suit Came With Two Pair Of Pants?</a>&#8220;<a href="http://www.4hoteliers.com/4hots_fshw.php?mwi=4883" target="_blank"> </a>Beyond having quite a fine tailor, it&#8217;s a smart idea that Neil takes into the world of hotels skillfully, with a powerful and accurate piece on hotels, social media, websites, and more.</li>
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<li><a href="http://www.xotels.com/en/marketing/tourism-is-social" target="_blank">TOURISM IS  SOCIAL</a> &#8211; a 90 minute love note to the power and impact of social  media in Hospitality, the need to have less manipulative marketing, and  the need to create a powerful community advocating your brand.</li>
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<li>Successful email marketing is all about reaching an appropriate demographic, that you can target more specifically, while not &#8220;spamming&#8221; people who don&#8217;t have the same interests, *but* <em>are</em> fans of your hotel.  By setting up preferences in email marketing, Hotel Marketing Strategies has advised our world yet again!  Think of a branded guest that loves wine and food, but not the spa&#8230; while you have other fans of the spa that are into health and not so much fine dining.  Sure they cross paths often enough, but <a href="http://www.hotelmarketingstrategies.com/preferences-center/" target="_blank">here is a way to target them individually and be even more successful</a>.  Well done <a href="http://www.hotelmarketingstrategies.com/" target="_blank">Hotel Marketing Strategies</a>!</li>
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<li>Speaking of Josiah, well we have to say well done on this <a href="http://www.hotelmarketingstrategies.com/google-buzz-guide/" target="_blank">GOOGLE BUZZ primer</a> for hotels and marketing people.   Fantastic stuff.. learned a lot!</li>
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<li>Some good news!  Hotels are <a href="http://www.hotelsmag.com/article/451411-Hotels_Again_Gaining_Attention_From_Traditional_Lenders.php?nid=3457&amp;source=title&amp;rid=14083566" target="_blank">gaining  attention from lenders</a>, <a href="http://www.hotelsmag.com/article/451346-Travelers_To_Ramp_Up_Leisure_Trips_Spending.php?nid=3457&amp;source=title&amp;rid=14083566" target="_blank">travelers  are ramping up leisure trips</a>, and some interesting insight into your luxury branded guests&#8230;..</li>
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<li>Attempting to reach affluents, luxury brand guests, online?  Where here  are some facts that may raise your eyebrows <a href="http://www.emarketer.com/Article.aspx?R=1007552" target="_blank">about their  behaviors</a>.</li>
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<li>Some not  so good news for you F&amp;B people &#8211; or just more about the complexity of  being green,  community rooted, and sustainability focused&#8230;. like  <a href="   http://www.rimag.com/article/447970-The_Food_Safety_Implications_of_Sourcing_Locally.php" target="_blank">the  implications of sourcing locally</a>.</li>
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<li><a href="http://ismboston.blogspot.com/2010/02/service-is-new-sales.html" target="_blank">Service  is the new Sales</a> &#8211; a piece in line with listening, learning, being engaged  and involved &#8211; and tempering traditional marketing methods that sell  glitz and gooey glamour.  That stuff is out this year, and true,  refined, classical luxury is in.  I know it&#8217;s just one of millions of  hyperbolic or effusive blog titles in this world of too many posts, but I  might say that service has always been on the front end of sales&#8230;.  since the local Main St. Hardware store and before.  Service has always  been paramount in helping you sell.. this is nothing new.  The article  has some great points, though.</li>
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<li>TOURISM IS ALL OF US blog <a href="http://tourismisallofus.blogspot.com/2010/02/online-marketing-for-tourism-social.html" target="_blank">chats about &#8220;filling seats&#8221; (a la movie theatre analogy) with social media in hotels</a>.  An interesting approach to understanding what your internet presence really is&#8230;.</li>
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<li><a href="http://www.marketingtimes.com/2010/02/social-graph-optimisation-explained/" target="_blank">Optimizing your hotel&#8217;s &#8220;Social Graph&#8221; </a>- a great and simple visual way to understand social media&#8217;s impact on your guests and potential guests.</li>
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<li><a href="http://www.hotelnewsnow.com/articles.aspx?ArticleId=2830&amp;PageType=News&amp;ArticleType=35" target="_blank">Hotels experimenting with social communities</a>: Foursquare, Yelp, Blogs, Tripadvisor and more.  Discussion about some of the ideas and methods hotels are using for interaction, listening, and community.</li>
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<li><a href=" http://www.hotelworldnetwork.com/social-networking/its-okay-be-anti-social-media" target="_blank">It&#8217;s Okay To Be Anti-Social?</a> &#8211; I don&#8217;t always agree with what I am posting here so much as attempting to engage thought and discussion.  I think this methodical approach to understanding the impact of social media is fading as more and more people find meaning and potential conversion from interacting with the online world.  His sanguine points are well taken, however, and he does help get a bird&#8217;s eye view on this madness that is too much media.  What do you understand? What do you have time for?  This article probably helps in going over all of it.</li>
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<li>It&#8217;s about time&#8230;. <a href="http://www.hospitality-industry.com/index.php/news/comments/17460/" target="_blank">an  affordable iphone/droid app for European hotels</a>&#8230; Referred to as  groundbreaking, but what isn&#8217;t at this point.  I remember groundbreaking  used to mean we just broke ground, and have 18 months (or lesS) from  pouring concrete to opening the doors.  It is much more ethereal than  the brick and mortar world&#8230; but important, potentially useful news  nonetheless.  I haven&#8217;t contacted them to find out more, as I am  Stateside.  But this is something we all have our eyes on, and if you  don&#8217;t&#8230; you should.  Mobile is the future, and it&#8217;s fairly important (I  assume you have been following my blog, and will spare you the endless  linking).</li>
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<li>Are you sick of too much info?  Too much data?  Does it feel numbing as you sit by and try to beat the internet every day?  Well&#8230; MS has innovative approaches in how to <a href="http://www.hotelemarketer.com/hotel-digital-marketing/hotel-new-media/pivot-perhaps-the-early-future-of-web-and-media-browsers/" target="_blank">sift through massive amounts of raw data and content with &#8220;Pivot&#8221;</a>.</li>
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<li>If that isn&#8217;t enough for you, I would highly suggest the new <a href="http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15557443" target="_blank">Economist special article about Data</a>&#8230; none of this is about business for you, or your brand.  It&#8217;s about collecting data, and you are just part of something so big it will melt your head.  Like issues of <a href="http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15350984" target="_blank">Privacy in the 2.0 age</a>&#8230; and how it basically doesn&#8217;t exist anymore.  Try controlling your brand&#8217;s message&#8230; sure, right after you figure out how to stop being stalked by the internet.</li>
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<li><a href=" http://www.hotelsmag.com/article/451151-Hotel_Rides_Google_s_Wave.php" target="_blank">Google Wave starts to come of age</a> &#8211; and real meaningful commerce is happening!  If you can get past the fact that I was quoted in this article, maybe you can envision Google Wave this way:  No more misplaced log book in PBX, and no more yellow sticky notes on the desk.  That&#8217;s sort of how I want to play it&#8230;. NO MORE STICKY NOTES! =)</li>
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<li>It isn&#8217;t about you&#8230; at all.  It&#8217;s about them.  I am starting to realize this about everything&#8230; social media, website development, new marketing&#8230; it&#8217;s &#8220;what can you do for me, what have you done for me lately&#8221;.  Well, <a href="http://www.hotelsphere.co.uk/blog/" target="_blank">hotel blogosphere</a> goes on a bit in regards to this, and reminds you that it might not be about what you know, <a href="http://www.hotelsphere.co.uk/blog/archives/129-Who-knows-what-you-know.html" target="_blank">but what, fundamentally, it means to potential clients</a>.   What&#8217;s more, he hits the nail on the head <a href="http://www.hotelsphere.co.uk/blog/archives/131-Be-ruthlessly-relevant-and-decisively-different.html" target="_blank">in regards to hotel websites, relevancy, and standing out</a>.</li>
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<li>This is perhaps one of the most affordable, functional, and cool devices I have seen in a long time &#8211; zero sticker shock, stunning savings, obvious ROI, and green to boot.  Amazing what <a href="http://unitedwasteprofessionals.com/United_Waste_Professionals/About.html" target="_blank">these guys</a> are doing -<a href="http://hotelexecutive.com/newswire/31996/united-waste-professionals-inc-supports-green-lodging-association-efforts" target="_blank"> the future of waste management on hotel property</a>:</li>
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<li>Martha Stewart Wedding magazine and Hello Lucky take on one of <a href="http://www.wilburhotsprings.com/">my favorite escapes</a> in the  world&#8230; <a href="http://www.marthastewartweddings.com/photogallery/eunice-and-daniel" target="_blank">WILBUR  HOT SPRINGS!</a> (I am sharing this for no other reason than it&#8217;s a  beautiful place!  The pics from the print edition are out of this world!</li>
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<li>(Also&#8230; if you hadn&#8217;t been aware of what&#8217;s going on here, <a href="http://www.hotelmarketing.com/index.php/content/article/social_media_in_travel_becomes_a_legitimate_business_force/" target="_blank">social  media in travel becomes legitimate business force</a>)</li>
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